# A case of the wrong card **URL:** \ **Category:** All Things Chess\ **Created:** [March 16, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359 "2010-03-16T18:05:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![michaeldlawson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@michaeldlawson](https://forum.uschess.org/u/michaeldlawson)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 6:05pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/1 "2010-03-16T18:05:19Z")
I was directing a tournament in February. A player came in very late. I wasn’t familiar with him There was some language issues and so I asked to see his USCF Card. And this is the punch line He showed me his Green Card. I said that wasn’t what I was looking for. He was a good player and interested. I hope he finds a club. I tried to help. Follow up. I believe there is tournament membership, Right? What are the fees for scholastic and adult? No big deal I still have time to look ---
**Author:** ![nolan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/nolan/32/174_2.png) [@nolan](https://forum.uschess.org/u/nolan)\ **Post date:** [March 16, 2010, 7:58pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/2 "2010-03-16T19:58:17Z")
This question (though not the green card aspect) is covered in the Frequent Questions document on the TD/A home page. ---
**Author:** ![michaeldlawson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@michaeldlawson](https://forum.uschess.org/u/michaeldlawson)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 4:20am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/3 "2010-03-21T04:20:03Z")
> [@nolan](#): > > This question (though not the green card aspect) is covered in the Frequent Questions > document on the TD/A home page. It is covered but I am looking at the information for Batch submission of members and the interface to submit the tournament itself and yet I have no idea, yet, how to submit tournament membership. I get the price though. But what am I missing on submitting names and address? Maybe I will get it tomorrow ---
**Author:** ![jwiewel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/jwiewel/32/104_2.png) [@jwiewel](https://forum.uschess.org/u/jwiewel)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 4:33am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/4 "2010-03-21T04:33:50Z")
Near the end of the list of memberships is JTP registration and non-member registration. Those can be used to create an ID number. Then the ID number can be used in the tournament report. Then the tournament membership option can be taken for those IDs. ---
**Author:** ![michaeldlawson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@michaeldlawson](https://forum.uschess.org/u/michaeldlawson)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 4:51am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/5 "2010-03-21T04:51:30Z")
> [@jwiewel](#): > > Near the end of the list of memberships is JTP registration and non-member registration. Those can be used to create an ID number. Then the ID number can be used in the tournament report. Then the tournament membership option can be taken for those IDs. I found the non-membership. But did it not creating an ID number. Well I try tomorrow. Perhaps part of the problem is that I am dealing with Junior member. Well I charge him adult price and so I proceed tomorrow ---
**Author:** ![jwiewel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/jwiewel/32/104_2.png) [@jwiewel](https://forum.uschess.org/u/jwiewel)\ **Post date:** [March 21, 2010, 10:44am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/6 "2010-03-21T10:44:28Z")
> [@michaeldlawson](#): > > > [@jwiewel](#): > > > > Near the end of the list of memberships is JTP registration and non-member registration. Those can be used to create an ID number. Then the ID number can be used in the tournament report. Then the tournament membership option can be taken for those IDs. > > I found the non-membership. But did it not creating an ID number. Well I try tomorrow. > > Perhaps part of the problem is that I am dealing with Junior member. Well I charge him adult price and so I proceed tomorrow Did you validate the batch and then process it through the payment step? ---
**Author:** ![nolan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/nolan/32/174_2.png) [@nolan](https://forum.uschess.org/u/nolan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 3:19am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/7 "2010-03-22T03:19:08Z")
First you have to create an ID number as explained in the FAQ. Then you can insert that ID number into the rating report and validate it. This will result in a non-member error, which you can deal with as a JTM. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Lux](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Joe\_Lux](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Joe_Lux)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 12:02pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/8 "2010-03-22T12:02:11Z")
KISS does not exist in USCF. Maybe it’s unavoidable. Maybe chess players just love to get lost in the tactics. 😆 All the best, Joe ---
**Author:** ![jwiewel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/jwiewel/32/104_2.png) [@jwiewel](https://forum.uschess.org/u/jwiewel)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 12:28pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/9 "2010-03-22T12:28:12Z")
> [@Joe Lux](#): > > KISS does not exist in USCF. Maybe it’s unavoidable. Maybe chess players just love to get lost in the tactics. 😆 > > All the best, Joe You need some way to uniquely identify a player (name alone is not enough - I had an issue with two players that were then both roughly 1300 rated with first names of Eddie and Edward, the same last name, and the same state). So an ID is needed. You either have a separate step to create an ID or you tack on ID creation into the rating report upload. In my 28 years of programming I’ve found that having two programs with different functions is easier to write, maintain, and train people on, than one program that does both functions. In the past the users at the five companies I’ve worked at have requested that I split up programs that I thought would work well merged into a single program. I’ve found that one-stop shopping is often seen as more complex than single function applications. ---
**Author:** ![nolan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/nolan/32/174_2.png) [@nolan](https://forum.uschess.org/u/nolan)\ **Post date:** [March 22, 2010, 3:25pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/10 "2010-03-22T15:25:03Z")
With over 750,000 names in the database now, similar names have been a major issue for a while, one that keeps getting bigger. We have nearly 3500 IDs flagged as duplicates, and I believe we still have hundreds if not thousands of duplicates that aren’t flagged. If anything, we may need to make the process of getting a new USCF ID more rigorous rather than easier, to try to keep this problem from getting completely out of hand. ---
**Author:** ![michaeldlawson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@michaeldlawson](https://forum.uschess.org/u/michaeldlawson)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:23am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/11 "2010-03-23T01:23:21Z")
I got it done. The TD/Affiliate gets the job done but it does seem particularly intuitive. However I suspect there is a logic of some sort there. One big problem though. We _had_ two Tournament Members play in two sections. But it looks like we got charged the fee ($7) for both sections. It should have been just one charge. I guess that would complicate the interface. We usually put the byes of multiple section events in a section and allow them to play. Unfortunately that included two tournament members. I will not allow them to play in the “bye section” again (unless they pay) ---
**Author:** ![martinak](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9d8465/32.png) [@martinak](https://forum.uschess.org/u/martinak)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:38am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/12 "2010-03-23T01:38:31Z")
> [@michaeldlawson](#): > > We usually put the byes of multiple section events in a section and allow them to play. Unfortunately that included two tournament members. I will not allow them to play in the “bye section” again (unless they pay) You would probably have to get an approval from USCF staff, but it doesn’t sound unreasonable to me to think of both of these players as house players with regards to the “bye section”. ---
**Author:** ![nolan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/nolan/32/174_2.png) [@nolan](https://forum.uschess.org/u/nolan)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:46am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/13 "2010-03-23T01:46:15Z")
It would be too easy to abuse the TM option if it applied to all sections of an event rather than to just one section. In special circumstances, the office can handle exceptions. ---
**Author:** ![michaeldlawson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/96bed5/32.png) [@michaeldlawson](https://forum.uschess.org/u/michaeldlawson)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2010, 1:38pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/14 "2010-03-23T13:38:43Z")
> [@nolan](#): > > It would be too easy to abuse the TM option if it applied to all sections of an event rather than to just one section. > > In special circumstances, the office can handle exceptions. Okay I will see if they would be okay with a reimbursement. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/system/32/2_2.png) [@system](https://forum.uschess.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 8:35am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/a-case-of-the-wrong-card/12359/15 "2024-04-22T08:35:31Z")