# How do multiple sections count for TD certification? **URL:** \ **Category:** Running Chess Tournaments\ **Created:** [March 27, 2007, 8:52pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/how-do-multiple-sections-count-for-td-certification/2347 "2007-03-27T20:52:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![tanstaafl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ba8739/32.png) [@tanstaafl](https://forum.uschess.org/u/tanstaafl)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 3:22pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/how-do-multiple-sections-count-for-td-certification/2347/21 "2007-03-28T15:22:41Z")
Terry and Micheal, You’ve raised an interesting point and I’m going to start a new thread, if you don’t mind, rather than discussing it here. Thanks ---
**Author:** ![timjust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/timjust/32/44_2.png) [@timjust](https://forum.uschess.org/u/timjust)\ **Post date:** [March 28, 2007, 3:27pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/how-do-multiple-sections-count-for-td-certification/2347/22 "2007-03-28T15:27:42Z")
> [@tanstaafl](#): > > > [@Tim Just](#): > > > > > [@tanstaafl](#): > > > > > > BTW Tim, the “wherever you will be from this year” crap is cheap shot. Have you decided to start supporting Sam Sloan’s crusade? I’m hardly the only person that’s been an “additional alternate delegate” from another state – there might be some again this year. > > > > In another thread you got into name calling (you said I was a “parody of a TD”). I suppose it is OK for you take cheap shots, but not others. > > > > As for SS–why is it if I don’t agree with you I am accused of taking sides with someone who has never posted a TD comment EVER on this forum? > > > > Moderators??? > > > > Tim > > If I take a cheap shot at YOU, then you are entitled to call me on it. My “cheap shot” post was at least relevant to the subject being discussed and was aimed at your position ON THAT SUBJECT. As for ASKING if you’re taking sides with SS – if you make a comment on the same side and same subject that he was so stuck on, well then that’s a fair question – especially when you bring it in out of left field and it’s totally irrelevant to what we’re discussing. > > I think most readers will understand the difference between criticism on a specific subject under discussion, and bringing in extraneous matters that are NOT relevant. Having a bad day are we? You seem to be engaging in that Cyber Bully stuff with me. I will have none of it. Tim ---
**Author:** ![Allen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bbce88/32.png) [@Allen](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Allen)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 11:16pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/how-do-multiple-sections-count-for-td-certification/2347/23 "2007-03-30T23:16:57Z")
Tim, I am trying to help several local TD’s along. I honestly thought that when they were working multiple sections of a tournament they were getting credit for the total number of players. I mean that they really are working across all the sections on the floor. These are scholastic events so the sections are separated by grade levels. Right now if I am running the whole thing, I report me a chief TD, my floor director as the chief assistant and then assign the other TD’s to the sections they are owrking in the most as either the chief or assistant. But they are working in several different sections. Should I be reporting this differently? Also, recently we had a tournament that was a one day Game 30 event for primary grades and a 2 day Game 90 event for the older grades. Since they were vastly different events that just happened to be held at the same place, I set up 2 separate events sent in 2 separate rating reports. The only other common thread was the same number of rounds. Do you think I did this correctly? As much as anything, I was trying to get the end dates correct as some of the one day players went home and played in another event while the 2 day event we were holding was still going on and I knew no other way to do that. ---
**Author:** ![nolan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/nolan/32/174_2.png) [@nolan](https://forum.uschess.org/u/nolan)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2007, 11:29pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/how-do-multiple-sections-count-for-td-certification/2347/24 "2007-03-30T23:29:53Z")
There are no clear-cut definitions for what an ‘event’ is. Some commonality of time and place seems reasonable, because that’s what people will look for when trying to find the section they played in. Let’s suppose a club holds a one-game-a-week event in March, and also holds a blitz tournament on one of those days. Should those be separate events or two sections of one event? I could make a case either way, and some affiliates might submit it as one event to save a little on the ratings fee. But consider ‘big’ events, like the National JHS taking place this weekend. There was a blitz event there yesterday. If the backroom chief, Phil Smith, follows past practice he’ll have it rated before the main event sections end on Sunday. At some Nationals there have been ‘family and friends’ tournaments, mostly for the parents. Should those be a section under the national scholastic event or a separate event? ---
**Author:** ![timjust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/timjust/32/44_2.png) [@timjust](https://forum.uschess.org/u/timjust)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 11:30am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/how-do-multiple-sections-count-for-td-certification/2347/25 "2007-03-31T11:30:12Z")
> [@nolan](#): > > There are no clear-cut definitions for what an ‘event’ is. > > Some commonality of time and place seems reasonable, because that’s what people will look for when trying to find the section they played in. > > Let’s suppose a club holds a one-game-a-week event in March, and also holds a blitz tournament on one of those days. Should those be separate events or two sections of one event? I could make a case either way, and some affiliates might submit it as one event to save a little on the ratings fee. > > But consider ‘big’ events, like the National JHS taking place this weekend. There was a blitz event there yesterday. If the backroom chief, Phil Smith, follows past practice he’ll have it rated before the main event sections end on Sunday. At some Nationals there have been ‘family and friends’ tournaments, mostly for the parents. Should those be a section under the national scholastic event or a separate event? I suspect that what we say is the certification credit rule and what the software actually can list as certification credit may not be an exact match. I can live with that. Often, I think, a TD deserves credit that the reporting system or the software package somehow misses. TDs should list those verifiable credits anyhow when they apply to upgrade or renew their certificates. I believe that Larry Pond at the office checks out that kind of stuff. Tim ---
**Author:** ![Allen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bbce88/32.png) [@Allen](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Allen)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 1:30pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/how-do-multiple-sections-count-for-td-certification/2347/26 "2007-03-31T13:30:03Z")
OK so it sounds like submitting this as two events was justifiable. What about my other question? I’m not sure I understood your response Tim. Are you saying that one of the people in the situation I described should list where they were overseeing multiples like that to contact Larry to see if it is justified for credit for a larger section? Or should I be listing them as assistants for the whole event, which isn’t listed in MSA but I know USCF has the record, and have them list it on the application for whatever level? Thanks for your time. I’m just trying to do this correctly and help new tD’s grow. ---
**Author:** ![timjust](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/timjust/32/44_2.png) [@timjust](https://forum.uschess.org/u/timjust)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 2:29pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/how-do-multiple-sections-count-for-td-certification/2347/27 "2007-03-31T14:29:03Z")
> [@Allen](#): > > OK so it sounds like submitting this as two events was justifiable. > > What about my other question? > > I’m not sure I understood your response Tim. Are you saying that one of the people in the situation I described should list where they were overseeing multiples like that to contact Larry to see if it is justified for credit for a larger section? No, I am saying to list it without contacting Larry when it comes to upgrade or renew. Larry will check it out on his own or contact the applicant if he has any questions > [@](#): > > Or should I be listing them as assistants for the whole event, which isn’t listed in MSA but I know USCF has the record, and have them list it on the application for whatever level? That works also. > [@](#): > > Thanks for your time. I’m just trying to do this correctly and help new tD’s grow. In the case of TD credits many roads lead to Rome. Tim ---
**Author:** ![tsawmiller](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/tsawmiller/32/2585_2.png) [@tsawmiller](https://forum.uschess.org/u/tsawmiller)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 3:12pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/how-do-multiple-sections-count-for-td-certification/2347/28 "2007-03-31T15:12:20Z")
All right you guys, take it outside, or to the ISSUES forum… 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Allen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/bbce88/32.png) [@Allen](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Allen)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 4:22pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/how-do-multiple-sections-count-for-td-certification/2347/29 "2007-03-31T16:22:03Z")
Thanks Tim that is what I needed to know. I appreciate your help. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/system/32/2_2.png) [@system](https://forum.uschess.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 8:39am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/how-do-multiple-sections-count-for-td-certification/2347/30 "2024-04-22T08:39:30Z")
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