Is there a reasonably efficient way to merge two team vs. team tournaments with WinTD? What I have in mind are running some sections of a large team vs. team tournament on one computer, and running the other sections on another computer, and then combining them to form one tournament for rating purposes. For individual tournaments, I understand that the “Extract Sections to…” and "Include Sections from… " commands in the File menu do the trick, but they don’t seem to work with team vs. team tournaments. At least, when I try it I get a little dialog box saying “Can’t Import Team Section”
I tried it myself with 4.11c and with 4.03, and it didn’t allow importing from a tournament with a team-vs-team section (even if the destination tournament does not have a team-vs-team section). You can import to a team-vs-team event as long as the sections coming in are not team-vs-team.
This sounds like a question for Tom Doan.
You may be stuck doing two separate rating submissions (at least it sounds like the $3 minimum is not an issue).
Merging may be an incorrect or at least ambiguous term here.
You’re not merging multiple schedule sections into one combined schedule (like the last few rounds of the US Open), what you’re really doing is gathering sections from separate events to create one multi-section event for submission and MSA display purposes.
Yes, sorry if I wasn’t clear. Perhaps “combining” would be a better word?
Not at this point. Team tournaments are quite a bit more complicated and the process of exporting and importing sections isn’t anywhere near as simple as it is with sections for individuals.
Suppose there are two rated events, A and B.
A has 2 sections, B has 2 sections.
If what the OP wants to do is move the two sections of B over to A so that A now has 4 sections, it may be possible to create a tool for the USCF staff to do that, but it may involve updating or creating records in 5 or more database tables (including leaving some kind of trail so it is clear what was done and why), so it is not a trivial undertaking.
And I suspect requests could be more complex than this, such as moving Section 1 of event B over to event A but not section 2, or moving one section of Event B to Event A and the other section to Event C.
I doubt this is a tool we are likely to create in the absence of significant demand for it.
WinTD has the ability to do that (extract and combine) but not with team vs team sections. It’s not impossible, just rather complicated as the “team” and team members are both the same types of records and the team has to have pointers to the team member records which then have to be re-set twice, once on the way out and once on the way in, with a similar set of operations required for the matches and the games within them.
For SuperNationals and the like, I made a separate stand alone program that pulls the “live” sections out of multiple copies of the tournament file and combines them. That way, all the TD’s have a copy of the original (round 0) tournament file in case anyone needs to move a player from a section they aren’t handling to one they are. Again, that works fine for individual v individual sections, but not team tournaments.
I doubt that there would be enough demand to justify writing it, but if such a tool ever gets written then I’d like to merge the following three multi-weeks events (actually different sections of our fall tournament) into one. They were entered separately so that the individual sections did not have to wait for the others to finish before getting rated.
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That would present yet another challenge, Jeff.
The events don’t all have the same starting and ending dates, and it is unclear how we should handle that. Should there be a new event ID created (which breaks the link between the transaction payment record and the event) or should all the events go under the one with the latest event ID?
Either way, someone who played in an earlier ‘section’ but not a later one might not be able to search for it by the dates he or she played in it.
They’ve all got the same starting date. The hypothetical tool would have to verify that the destination tournament had a date range that encompassed the dates of any sections going into it, which would mean that my example would only be mergable under the longest running event. The starting date and ending date on the section would not be changed. The tool would have to verify that the same chief TD and same affiliate were being used. It would have to re-key the data (I think ending date is part of the primary key).
There may be other things that would be needed in a complex, little-used tool (I did say the demand would be unlikely to be enough to justify writing it).
At least it wouldn’t have to worry about the phases of the moon and the requestor’s biorhythms (which sometimes has seemed necessary during my career as a programmer).
Details such as how well tournament name, affiliate, chief TD, etc. match presents additional complications.
As I recall, the K-1 section of SuperNationals III was submitted separately from the other sections, so any time we look at the counts for national events, we have to combine those two events.