OK, I run a 3RR (QUAD) or 3SS (OCTO) G/10 every monday at the Baldwin High Chess Club (Long Island, New York). Can this qualify for a Free Monthly RBO or Blitz TLA?
TIA,
OK, I guess I’ll have to reply to myself…
Can someone please correct me if the following is wrong?
bRBO:
In the latest issue of Chess Life it states that USCF Affiliates may have a free TLA every month if they run an RBO. Further, an RBO is defined as a one day U1200 event.[/b]
bBlitz:
In addition, the latest issue of Chess Life states that USCF Affiliates may have a free TLA every month if they run a Blitz tournament.[/b]
QUESTIONS:
For RBO, what does one day mean?
In a Blitz, is this only a G/5, or is G/10 OK?
I suppose that my question REALLY is whether any of my current club events, listed below, qualify for one or the other new free TLA program? Please note, that we usually meet every Monday from 3PM to 4PM or 4:30PM. Registration starts at 2:45PM.
(a) Four Mondays CYCLONE 4SS G/30 (end of school year - Club Championship)
(b) Two Mondays TORNADO 4SS G/15 (beginning of school year ladder board qualifier)
(c) One Monday QUAD 3RR G/15 (most common event)
(d) One Monday OCTO 3SS G/10 (next most common event)
(e) One Monday Double QUAD 6DRR, G/5 (sometimes)
(f) One Monday HURRICANE 6SS G/5 (right after New Year’s Day - Blitz Championship)
TIA,
Hello Jorge,
I’m sorry! When I started these forums it didn’t occur to me that I would be so swamped with work that I wouldn’t have time to read and post on them. I will try to do better from here on and also get more people to join in- hopefully employees and Board members as well as organizers.
To answer your question, your a and b events don’t qualify as they are longer than one day and not blitz. c and d don’t as they are not RBOs and not blitz. If d is a 3-SS for U1200, it would qualify. e qualifies when it is G/5. f qualifies. Blitz is G/5, not G/10.
A 4-SS, G/10 in one day might draw well, but perhaps you can’t squeeze it in to your meeting time. 4 rounds also has the advantage of being enough to guve an unrated player a rating. If you can’t fit in 4-SS, G/10 perhaps something like 4-SS, G/8 would work? There are some players who don’t like Blitz but for whom a few more minutes might be important.
Bill Goichberg
USCF Executive Director
Hi Bill!
Thanx for your reply. I have since placed the following RBO coming out in the next TLA:
Every Mon (Except Holidays). BHCC RBO U1200 Quick Quads! 3RR, G/10.
Room 429, Baldwin High CC, 841 Ethel T. Kloberg Dr., Baldwin, NY 11510.
$$12/Quad. EF: $6. Reg: 2:45. Rds: 3-3:20-3:40. Ent: cash on-site or paypal.
Info: A. Jorge Garcia, calcpage.tripod.com/bhcc
I did not know that you needed 4 games to get a rating. I have already had a few (unadvertised) rated QUADS with my students and I thought they all got rated from the first 3 games. Does it make a difference that I was playing them and I was already quick rated? One other student also had a prior rating, but I don’t think it was a quick rating. Take a look at uschess.org/msa and serch for tournaments with “BHCC” in the name if you care to see for yourself.
Regards,
AJG
Jorge,
I believe that USCF will still rate the (3-rd) Quad event for unrated players. The difference is that those ratings won’t be published in the Rating Supplements, though I believe they will show up on the mailing label of the player’s Chess Life/School Mates magazine.
You should get a crosstable showing your player’s ratings based on 3 games. As they play more games (at least 4), they will then be published in the Supplements. I don’t believe USCF holds up (doesn’t rate) a Quad event for unrated players. To do so would make an RBO Quad event meaningless.
BILL: Am I incorrect?
Terry Winchester
Evansville (IN) Chess Club
In fact if you see your event: http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?031110465 you will see that two of your players have Provisional ratings based on 3 games
Terry,
Thanx for the input! So what I said was correct. My students did receive a rating from their first 3 games as listed in the cross table for our first ever rated quad.
I did not know, however, that their provisional ratings would not be published in the ratings supplements until they have 4 rated games. At this point they all have more than 4 rated games anyway (except for one noob with 0).
Does this mater, however? Shouldn’t the most recent ratings from uschess.org/msa be used in seeding a tournament anyway? I know that when I use the Golden Database in SwissSys, its using the latest supplement in a dbaseIII file. But shouldn’t this be done away with now that we have instant access to members’ latest ratings online?
Thanx,
AJG
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USCF rule 28D3 allows you to use the website ratings. However, players with fewer than four career games are still unrated, according to this rule.
What this means is that if you were to advertise a prize for top unrated players, a player with less than 4 career games would be eligible for that prize even though you find a rating for him on the website. It would be improper for you to compel that player to use the web rating, thus excluding him/her from the unrated prize.
Sometimes, players will show you a rating from their Chess Life magazine label which is higher than what is listed in the Rating Supplement. I have always allowed a player to use that rating when it is higher than that listed in the Rating Supplement, and it is now an allowed variation of the rules as stated in the TD Tip following USCF rule 28C. It should not be used if it is lower than the last published rating, as indicated by USCF rule 28E1.
See also: uschess.org/tds/feb04bits&pieces.php under MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS. (The reference to the changes listed in the Dec 2000 Rating Supplement is simply addressing changes for the 4th edition of the rules. It is now in the text of the 5th edition. The Dec 2000 RS states: 28D6. (page 86) - 4th edition - Add after “These players are unrated” the following language: “and should be indicated as “NEW” on the pairing card and wallchart”).
In summary, use the web ratings when available, but don’t compel a player with less than 4 rated games to use the rating if the use of that rating would disqualify him/her from an Unrated category prize.
Also, see USCF rules 28C, 28D and 28E (pp. 110-115 for the full discussion of ratings.
The USCF rules listed above are from the 5th edition, except where noted.
Hope this helps,
Terry
I should add to my summary that if a player requests that his/her published rating be used, you are obliged to use it, even if the website shows a higher rating, unless you have advertised otherwise in the TLA, or unless one of the causes for assignment listed in 28E2 is applicable.
From the Feb Rating Supplement: “Unless otherwise announced, ratings from this list should be used between February 1, 2004 and March 31, 2004. Beginning April 1, 2004 the April supplement should be used”.
-Terry