# Reasons for not USCF rating events **URL:** \ **Category:** Running Chess Tournaments\ **Created:** [March 2, 2016, 7:08pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495 "2016-03-02T19:08:05Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Micah\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@Micah\_Smith](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Micah_Smith)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 10:18pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495/41 "2016-03-12T22:18:14Z")
> [@wintdoan](#): > > Thank you for demonstrating that the MSA can be used to produce vast quantities of useless information. Most of those are “boutique” tournaments run by chess instructors (primarily [ChessSport.com](http://ChessSport.com) and Orlov). They are most definitely not the type of tournament that you have been describing as somehow commonplace, which is unrated sections for the beginners and more prestigious rated tournaments for the better players. (You also, BTW, lumped in Oregon, which so far as I can tell, has never been much of an issue). 1. They are higher level scholastic tournaments which are USCF rated. They just don’t have a corresponding lower sections that are unrated. 2. Oregon is part of the Northwest if you didn’t know. 3. Oregon has never been much of an issue for what? ---
**Author:** ![Mulfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@Mulfish](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Mulfish)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 10:27pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495/42 "2016-03-12T22:27:12Z")
Which system(s) are the primary Oregon scholastic events rated under? If the answer is “both”, please indicate the particulars. ---
**Author:** ![Micah\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@Micah\_Smith](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Micah_Smith)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 10:31pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495/43 "2016-03-12T22:31:15Z")
> [@Mulfish](#): > > Which system(s) are the primary Oregon scholastic events rated under? If the answer is “both”, please indicate the particulars. What do you mean by primary? ---
**Author:** ![Mulfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@Mulfish](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Mulfish)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:15pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495/44 "2016-03-12T23:15:37Z")
You’re right, poor choice of words with scholastic events. I meant most important, i.e. state championship events or any really large scholastic events. ---
**Author:** ![Micah\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@Micah\_Smith](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Micah_Smith)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:31pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495/45 "2016-03-12T23:31:51Z")
> [@Mulfish](#): > > You’re right, poor choice of words with scholastic events. I meant most important, i.e. state championship events or any really large scholastic events. The state championship and most of the biggest scholastic tournaments in Oregon have the highest rated sections dual rated in both US Chess and NWSRS and the lower rated sections just rated in the NWSRS. Here is the list of the most prestigious and biggest scholastic tournament in Oregon in 2015 that were at least partially rated in US Chess: [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501106602](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501106602) [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501179652](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501179652) [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201502149762](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201502149762) [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201504113592](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201504113592) [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201504259492](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201504259492), Oregon Scholastic Chess Federation State Championship [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201510095082](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201510095082), Invitational Event, completely dual rated in US Chess and NWSRS [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201512063862](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201512063862) ---
**Author:** ![wintdoan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wintdoan](https://forum.uschess.org/u/wintdoan)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:53pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495/46 "2016-03-12T23:53:38Z")
> [@Micah Smith](#): > > > [@wintdoan](#): > > > > Thank you for demonstrating that the MSA can be used to produce vast quantities of useless information. Most of those are “boutique” tournaments run by chess instructors (primarily [ChessSport.com](http://ChessSport.com) and Orlov). They are most definitely not the type of tournament that you have been describing as somehow commonplace, which is unrated sections for the beginners and more prestigious rated tournaments for the better players. (You also, BTW, lumped in Oregon, which so far as I can tell, has never been much of an issue). > > 1. They are higher level scholastic tournaments which are USCF rated. They just don’t have a corresponding lower sections that are unrated. They are private label tournaments with the same 20 kids playing each other over and over (and over). Somehow that piece of information has been left out of the yarn that you’ve been spinning. > [@Micah Smith](#): > > 1. Oregon is part of the Northwest if you didn’t know. > > 2. Oregon has never been much of an issue for what? Oh, please! ---
**Author:** ![Mulfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@Mulfish](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Mulfish)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2016, 11:59pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495/47 "2016-03-12T23:59:31Z")
I think what I’m seeing is that NWSRS serves both states but Oregon is more prone to have the top section USCF rated. So they are less of a problem than Washington. Still, both states tend not to USCF rate the lower sections so they are both significant parts of the problem. I can’t agree with Tom on the Oregon point. The minor events with mostly the same players do not support Micah’s point, however. ---
**Author:** ![Micah\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@Micah\_Smith](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Micah_Smith)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 12:48am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495/48 "2016-03-13T00:48:20Z")
> [@wintdoan](#): > > > [@Micah Smith](#): > > > > 1. Oregon has never been much of an issue for what? > > Oh, please! If you are talking about sectioning at the scholastic nationals, that’s not what this thread is about ---
**Author:** ![Mulfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ea666f/32.png) [@Mulfish](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Mulfish)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 12:57am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495/49 "2016-03-13T00:57:14Z")
What is this thread about? It’s not like you started it; the moderators did when you went off topic on the US Open and others refused to let your silly comparison between arguments against FIDE rating the US Open and USCF rating generic US chess events pass without pointing out the incredible foolishness of your arguments. The fact that yours was the first among the off-topic posts the moderators moved doesn’t give you ownership of the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Micah\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f475e1/32.png) [@Micah\_Smith](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Micah_Smith)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2016, 12:58am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495/50 "2016-03-13T00:58:43Z")
> [@Mulfish](#): > > I think what I’m seeing is that NWSRS serves both states but Oregon is more prone to have the top section USCF rated. So they are less of a problem than Washington There are a lot of states that don’t have many lower level scholastic sections that are rated in US Chess. The situation just gets amplified in the northwest because we have the NWSRS as an alternative. Washington has more scholastic events where the top section is US Chess rated than Oregon. Here are the State Championships, other prestigious event, and the biggest scholastic events in Washington in 2015 that were at least partially rated in US Chess. [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501117772](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501117772), Invitational Event, entirely US Chess rated [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501190562](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501190562) [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501241542](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501241542), High School State Championship [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201502070712](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201502070712) [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201503089372](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201503089372) [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201504269642](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201504269642), Middle School State Championship [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201505230322](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201505230322) [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201506065362](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201506065362), Must qualify to play, entirely dual rated in US Chess and NWSRS [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201510314492](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201510314492) [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201511277882](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201511277882) > [@Mulfish](#): > > What is this thread about? It’s not like you started it; the moderators did when you went off topic on the US Open and others refused to let your silly comparison between arguments against FIDE rating the US Open and USCF rating generic US chess events pass without pointing out the incredible foolishness of your arguments. The fact that yours was the first among the off-topic posts the moderators moved doesn’t give you ownership of the thread. It’s about what the title says, reasons for not USCF rating events ---
**Author:** ![kevin\_bachler](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/kevin_bachler/32/667_2.png) [@kevin\_bachler](https://forum.uschess.org/u/kevin_bachler)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2016, 1:12am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495/51 "2016-03-14T01:12:37Z")
> [@Micah Smith](#): > > > [@wintdoan](#): > > > > Thank you for demonstrating that the MSA can be used to produce vast quantities of useless information. Most of those are “boutique” tournaments run by chess instructors (primarily [ChessSport.com](http://ChessSport.com) and Orlov). They are most definitely not the type of tournament that you have been describing as somehow commonplace, which is unrated sections for the beginners and more prestigious rated tournaments for the better players. (You also, BTW, lumped in Oregon, which so far as I can tell, has never been much of an issue). > > 1. They are higher level scholastic tournaments which are USCF rated. They just don’t have a corresponding lower sections that are unrated. > > 2. Oregon is part of the Northwest if you didn’t know. > > 3. Oregon has never been much of an issue for what? But that wasn’t the argument you presented. ---
**Author:** ![wintdoan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/eada6e/32.png) [@wintdoan](https://forum.uschess.org/u/wintdoan)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2016, 3:05pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495/52 "2016-03-14T15:05:03Z")
> [@Micah Smith](#): > > Washington has more scholastic events where the top section is US Chess rated than Oregon. Here are the State Championships, other prestigious event, and the biggest scholastic events in Washington in 2015 that were at least partially rated in US Chess. > > [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501117772](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501117772), Invitational Event, entirely US Chess rated > [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501190562](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501190562) > [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501241542](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501241542), High School State Championship > [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201502070712](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201502070712) > [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201503089372](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201503089372) > [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201504269642](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201504269642), Middle School State Championship > [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201505230322](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201505230322) > [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201506065362](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201506065362), Must qualify to play, entirely dual rated in US Chess and NWSRS > [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201510314492](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201510314492) > [uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201511277882](http://www.uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201511277882) Once you cut out the fluff, there are (as I said) about three per age range over the course of an entire year compared to dozens (particularly in the K-6 age range) which are strictly locally rated. And these are (with one exception, and I don’t even know why that’s included) sponsored by the Washington Chess Federation and are held in Seattle or one of its suburbs. In other words, your statement was at best a gross exaggeration. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/system/32/2_2.png) [@system](https://forum.uschess.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 8:41am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/reasons-for-not-uscf-rating-events/21495/53 "2024-04-22T08:41:18Z")
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