Reasons for not USCF rating events

[Micah_Smith]

@wintdoan

Thank you for demonstrating that the MSA can be used to produce vast quantities of useless information. Most of those are “boutique” tournaments run by chess instructors (primarily ChessSport.com and Orlov). They are most definitely not the type of tournament that you have been describing as somehow commonplace, which is unrated sections for the beginners and more prestigious rated tournaments for the better players. (You also, BTW, lumped in Oregon, which so far as I can tell, has never been much of an issue).

1. They are higher level scholastic tournaments which are USCF rated. They just don’t have a corresponding lower sections that are unrated.

2. Oregon is part of the Northwest if you didn’t know.

3. Oregon has never been much of an issue for what?

[Mulfish]

Which system(s) are the primary Oregon scholastic events rated under? If the answer is “both”, please indicate the particulars.

[Micah_Smith]

@Mulfish

Which system(s) are the primary Oregon scholastic events rated under? If the answer is “both”, please indicate the particulars.

What do you mean by primary?

[Mulfish]

You’re right, poor choice of words with scholastic events. I meant most important, i.e. state championship events or any really large scholastic events.

[Micah_Smith]

@Mulfish

You’re right, poor choice of words with scholastic events. I meant most important, i.e. state championship events or any really large scholastic events.

The state championship and most of the biggest scholastic tournaments in Oregon have the highest rated sections dual rated in both US Chess and NWSRS and the lower rated sections just rated in the NWSRS. Here is the list of the most prestigious and biggest scholastic tournament in Oregon in 2015 that were at least partially rated in US Chess:

uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501106602
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501179652
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201502149762
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201504113592
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201504259492, Oregon Scholastic Chess Federation State Championship
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201510095082, Invitational Event, completely dual rated in US Chess and NWSRS
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201512063862

[wintdoan]

@Micah Smith

@wintdoan

Thank you for demonstrating that the MSA can be used to produce vast quantities of useless information. Most of those are “boutique” tournaments run by chess instructors (primarily ChessSport.com and Orlov). They are most definitely not the type of tournament that you have been describing as somehow commonplace, which is unrated sections for the beginners and more prestigious rated tournaments for the better players. (You also, BTW, lumped in Oregon, which so far as I can tell, has never been much of an issue).

1. They are higher level scholastic tournaments which are USCF rated. They just don’t have a corresponding lower sections that are unrated.

They are private label tournaments with the same 20 kids playing each other over and over (and over). Somehow that piece of information has been left out of the yarn that you’ve been spinning.

@Micah Smith

2. Oregon is part of the Northwest if you didn’t know.

3. Oregon has never been much of an issue for what?

Oh, please!

[Mulfish]

I think what I’m seeing is that NWSRS serves both states but Oregon is more prone to have the top section USCF rated. So they are less of a problem than Washington. Still, both states tend not to USCF rate the lower sections so they are both significant parts of the problem. I can’t agree with Tom on the Oregon point. The minor events with mostly the same players do not support Micah’s point, however.

[Micah_Smith]

@wintdoan

@Micah Smith

3. Oregon has never been much of an issue for what?

Oh, please!

If you are talking about sectioning at the scholastic nationals, that’s not what this thread is about

[Mulfish]

What is this thread about? It’s not like you started it; the moderators did when you went off topic on the US Open and others refused to let your silly comparison between arguments against FIDE rating the US Open and USCF rating generic US chess events pass without pointing out the incredible foolishness of your arguments. The fact that yours was the first among the off-topic posts the moderators moved doesn’t give you ownership of the thread.

[Micah_Smith]

@Mulfish

I think what I’m seeing is that NWSRS serves both states but Oregon is more prone to have the top section USCF rated. So they are less of a problem than Washington

There are a lot of states that don’t have many lower level scholastic sections that are rated in US Chess. The situation just gets amplified in the northwest because we have the NWSRS as an alternative.

Washington has more scholastic events where the top section is US Chess rated than Oregon. Here are the State Championships, other prestigious event, and the biggest scholastic events in Washington in 2015 that were at least partially rated in US Chess.

uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501117772, Invitational Event, entirely US Chess rated
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501190562
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501241542, High School State Championship
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201502070712
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201503089372
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201504269642, Middle School State Championship
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201505230322
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201506065362, Must qualify to play, entirely dual rated in US Chess and NWSRS
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201510314492
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201511277882

@Mulfish

What is this thread about? It’s not like you started it; the moderators did when you went off topic on the US Open and others refused to let your silly comparison between arguments against FIDE rating the US Open and USCF rating generic US chess events pass without pointing out the incredible foolishness of your arguments. The fact that yours was the first among the off-topic posts the moderators moved doesn’t give you ownership of the thread.

It’s about what the title says, reasons for not USCF rating events

[kevin_bachler]

@Micah Smith

@wintdoan

Thank you for demonstrating that the MSA can be used to produce vast quantities of useless information. Most of those are “boutique” tournaments run by chess instructors (primarily ChessSport.com and Orlov). They are most definitely not the type of tournament that you have been describing as somehow commonplace, which is unrated sections for the beginners and more prestigious rated tournaments for the better players. (You also, BTW, lumped in Oregon, which so far as I can tell, has never been much of an issue).

1. They are higher level scholastic tournaments which are USCF rated. They just don’t have a corresponding lower sections that are unrated.

2. Oregon is part of the Northwest if you didn’t know.

3. Oregon has never been much of an issue for what?

But that wasn’t the argument you presented.

[wintdoan]

@Micah Smith

Washington has more scholastic events where the top section is US Chess rated than Oregon. Here are the State Championships, other prestigious event, and the biggest scholastic events in Washington in 2015 that were at least partially rated in US Chess.

uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501117772, Invitational Event, entirely US Chess rated
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501190562
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201501241542, High School State Championship
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201502070712
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201503089372
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201504269642, Middle School State Championship
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201505230322
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201506065362, Must qualify to play, entirely dual rated in US Chess and NWSRS
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201510314492
uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201511277882

Once you cut out the fluff, there are (as I said) about three per age range over the course of an entire year compared to dozens (particularly in the K-6 age range) which are strictly locally rated. And these are (with one exception, and I don’t even know why that’s included) sponsored by the Washington Chess Federation and are held in Seattle or one of its suburbs. In other words, your statement was at best a gross exaggeration.