- Why would an IA/FA from England be a US Chess Senior TD? Also, IA/FA have fairly light experience requirements. (The tournaments have to be longish; longer than would be typical in the U.S., but not as numerous as are required for Senior TD). US Chess has decided to add the requirement that new nominees have to be (at least) Senior TD’s.
- Even for someone from the U.S., IA/FA is a life-time title as long as you pay license fees—you aren’t required to have continuing experience. So an IA/FA who has been a U.S. Senior TD but has lapsed due to lack of continuing experience would be covered by this.
Micah Smith:wintdoan:
IA/FA are administered by FIDE. US Chess Senior TD is administered by US Chess.
I understand that.
- Why would an IA/FA from England be a US Chess Senior TD?
They likely wouldn’t. I’m still not sure what you are trying to argue here.
dennisk:
The more serious problem is that clause (b) stipulates certain US Chess conditions for becoming a FIDE National Arbiter. I suspect that FIDE determines who can or cannot become a FIDE Arbiter (and how this is accomplished), and that US Chess has nothing to say about it. I also suspect that this is Tom’s point.
This is incorrect. Look at the rules, new.uschess.org/sites/default/f … nrules.pdf. To become a FIDE National Arbiter in the US, you have to go through US Chess and US Chess requires that you be a US Chess Senior TD in order to be able to become a FIDE National Arbiter.
“In US Chess, the National Arbiter must be a SrTD or higher and apply/pay the license fee through the US Chess office in order to direct FIDE rated events.”
OK, I didn’t know that. But your proposed rule could be better phrased. “In US Chess” is a bit ambiguous. It might be clearer to say “For US Chess members, …” – because it’s certainly possible to become a FIDE Arbiter (at whatever level) without being a US Chess member at all, and that distinction might be lost with your proposed phrasing.
Micah Smith:dennisk:
The more serious problem is that clause (b) stipulates certain US Chess conditions for becoming a FIDE National Arbiter. I suspect that FIDE determines who can or cannot become a FIDE Arbiter (and how this is accomplished), and that US Chess has nothing to say about it. I also suspect that this is Tom’s point.
This is incorrect. Look at the rules, new.uschess.org/sites/default/f … nrules.pdf. To become a FIDE National Arbiter in the US, you have to go through US Chess and US Chess requires that you be a US Chess Senior TD in order to be able to become a FIDE National Arbiter.
“In US Chess, the National Arbiter must be a SrTD or higher and apply/pay the license fee through the US Chess office in order to direct FIDE rated events.”
OK, I didn’t know that. But your proposed rule could be better phrased. “In US Chess” is a bit ambiguous. It might be clearer to say “For US Chess members, …” – because it’s certainly possible to become a FIDE Arbiter (at whatever level) without being a US Chess member at all, and that distinction might be lost with your proposed phrasing.
The current rules uses the phrase “In US Chess” and I guess I just kept that wording.
Perhaps, instead of:
TD TIP: All TDs of FIDE/US Chess rated tournaments (or FIDE/US Chess rated sections of a tournament) must be certified by both FIDE and US Chess and only those TDs should be listed as TDs on the US Chess rating report for the FIDE/US Chess rated sections.
– you could say:
TD TIP: All TDs listed on the US Chess rating report of FIDE/US Chess rated tournaments (or FIDE/US Chess rated sections of a tournament) must be certified by both FIDE and US Chess at levels sufficient to allow them to act as TDs in the tournament (or sections).
Bill Smythe
Perhaps, instead of:
TD TIP: All TDs of FIDE/US Chess rated tournaments (or FIDE/US Chess rated sections of a tournament) must be certified by both FIDE and US Chess and only those TDs should be listed as TDs on the US Chess rating report for the FIDE/US Chess rated sections.
– you could say:
TD TIP: All TDs listed on the US Chess rating report of FIDE/US Chess rated tournaments (or FIDE/US Chess rated sections of a tournament) must be certified by both FIDE and US Chess at levels sufficient to allow them to act as TDs in the tournament (or sections).
Bill Smythe
Nice wording Bill.
The language in 14 b and the subsequent TD Tip seem to contradict each other.
“b. U.S. events that are also FIDE rated should be directed by an onsite US Chess Senior TD or higher, or IA/FA that meets US Chess requirements for Senior TD and for the expected size of the event.”
“TD TIP: When a tournament is dual FIDE and US Chess rated the National Arbiters, FIDE Arbiters and/or International Arbiters must be licensed by FIDE and currently certified as US Chess TDs with the chief TD/Arbiter being the appropriate level to direct the tournament for the event to be rated by FIDE and US Chess; i.e., all TDs of dual rated FIDE/US Chess tournaments (or the FIDE/US Chess rated sections of a tournament) must be certified by both FIDE and US Chess.”
The wording “or IA/FA that meets US Chess requirements for Senior TD and for the expected size of the event.” makes it seem like you don’t have to actually be certified a US Chess Senior TD here (otherwise they would be certified as a US Chess Senior TD and there would be no need for this statement) but the TD Tip says the person must be certified as a US Chess TD.
Also, what does “or IA/FA that meets US Chess requirements for Senior TD” mean? If it means all the requirements, they would be certitifed as a US Chess Senior TD. Does it mean just the experience requirements?
The wording in Rules 14 could probably use some clarification and updating and b and c could probably be combined into one rule.
Current wording:
- Category I.
A Tournament held in the United States that will be submitted to both FIDE and US Chess for rating.a. FIDE events that award title norms for GMs, IMs, WGMs and WIMs and will be submitted to FIDE for rating must be directed by an onsite International Arbiter (IA) or FIDE Arbiter (FA).
b. U.S. events that are also FIDE rated should be directed by an onsite US Chess Senior TD or higher, or IA/FA that meets US Chess requirements for Senior TD and for the expected size of the event."
“c. Effective January 1, 2014, no tournament will be rated by FIDE without the arbiter being licensed which applies to FIDE Arbiters and International Arbiters. A new category was introduced called the National Arbiter. In US Chess, the National Arbiter must be a SrTD or higher and apply/pay the license fee through the US Chess office in order to direct FIDE rated events.”
TD TIP: When a tournament is dual FIDE and US Chess rated the National Arbiters, FIDE Arbiters and/or International Arbiters must be licensed by FIDE and currently certified as US Chess TDs with the chief TD/Arbiter being the appropriate level to direct the tournament for the event to be rated by FIDE and US Chess; i.e., all TDs of dual rated FIDE/US Chess tournaments (or the FIDE/US Chess rated sections of a tournament) must be certified by both FIDE and US Chess.
Proposed new wording:
- Category I.
A Tournament held in the United States that will be submitted to both FIDE and US Chess for rating.a. A FIDE/US Chess rated event that awards FIDE title norms for GMs, IMs, WGMs and WIMs must be directed onsite by a person who is certified at both the FIDE Arbiter (FA) (or International Arbiter (IA)) and US Chess Senior TD levels or higher, or an FA/IA that meets US Chess experience requirements for Senior TD and for the expected size of the event.
b. Other FIDE/US Chess rated events must be directed onsite by a person who is certified at both the FIDE National Arbiter and US Chess Senior TD levels or higher, or an FA/IA that meets US Chess experience requirements for Senior TD and for the expected size of the event. In US Chess, to become a FIDE National Arbiter (the lowest arbiter level in FIDE), one must be a US Chess Senior TD or higher and apply/pay the license fee through the US Chess office.
TD TIP: All TDs of FIDE/US Chess rated tournaments (or FIDE/US Chess rated sections of a tournament) must be certified by both FIDE and US Chess and only those TDs should be listed as TD’s on the US Chess rating report for the FIDE/US Chess rated sections.
If you look at rule 29e you will find that foreign FAs/IAs that want to become US Chess members and direct US Chess tournaments can become CTDs and then attain the comparatively minimal requirements to take the SrTD test. At that point they can direct category I events even though they are not yet SrTDs. If they are only CTDs then they are limited to tournaments small enough for CTDs to direct as US Chess rated events (though those small tournaments can be category I since they are already FAs/IAs).
Since you need to already be a SrTD before US Chess lets you take our country’s NA test, it is not applicable to home-grown TDs.
wintdoan:
Micah Smith:wintdoan:
IA/FA are administered by FIDE. US Chess Senior TD is administered by US Chess.
I understand that.
- Why would an IA/FA from England be a US Chess Senior TD?
They likely wouldn’t. I’m still not sure what you are trying to argue here.
I’m not trying to “argue” anything. I was trying to answer your question, which I think I did. Thank you for taking a sentence out of context.
Tom Doan’s point may have been that his “majority” of FIDE arbiters who are not U.S. Chess members would not be eligible to direct FIDE/U.S. Chess-rated events anyway, because U.S. Chess requires that TDs of FIDE/U.S. Chess-rated events be certified by both organizations.
Bill Smythe
Micah Smith:Thanks Jeff!
Would the test be available to take at the 2022 National Open? I am planning on attending either the National Open or the US Open in 2022. Haven’t decided which one yet.
What is the format for the Senior TD exam (multiple choice, essay, etc.)?
If you request it far enough in advance it the 2022 National Open should be fine. The test is 30 multiple choice questions (4 pts each), one pairing question (20 pts) and 112 pts needed to pass (80% of the 140 pts).
The term “under supervision” allows the proctor to be somebody other than an NTD, possibly a trusted non-TD staff member. So far I’ve only been the proctor for one person taking the test and in that particular case the test was able to be graded immediately (less than 112 points were earned).
Would it be possible to just go ahead and also take the FIDE NA exam at the National Open as well, assuming I pass the US Chess Senior TD exam?
Would it be possible to just go ahead and also take the FIDE NA exam at the National Open as well, assuming I pass the US Chess Senior TD exam?
Any TD who passes the Senior TD test, and is registered with FIDE as USA, can apply to receive the US Chess FIDE NA exam. Where you choose to do the exam is up to you, but there wouldn’t be a need to have a proctor and do it closed book.
jwiewel:
Micah Smith:Thanks Jeff!
Would the test be available to take at the 2022 National Open? I am planning on attending either the National Open or the US Open in 2022. Haven’t decided which one yet.
What is the format for the Senior TD exam (multiple choice, essay, etc.)?
If you request it far enough in advance it the 2022 National Open should be fine. The test is 30 multiple choice questions (4 pts each), one pairing question (20 pts) and 112 pts needed to pass (80% of the 140 pts).
The term “under supervision” allows the proctor to be somebody other than an NTD, possibly a trusted non-TD staff member. So far I’ve only been the proctor for one person taking the test and in that particular case the test was able to be graded immediately (less than 112 points were earned).
Would it be possible to just go ahead and also take the FIDE NA exam at the National Open as well, assuming I pass the US Chess Senior TD exam?
That is a question for the FIDE Events committee (I’m not on it).