# StateSearch question - data freshness **URL:** \ **Category:** Running Chess Tournaments\ **Created:** [April 30, 2005, 4:44pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/statesearch-question-data-freshness/412 "2005-04-30T16:44:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![namdoog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f04885/32.png) [@namdoog](https://forum.uschess.org/u/namdoog)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 4:44pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/statesearch-question-data-freshness/412/1 "2005-04-30T16:44:32Z")
It would be convenient to use [uschess.org/ratings/RatesSea … Search.php](http://www.uschess.org/ratings/RatesSearch/StateSearch.php) to make a last-minute checklist for USCF membership for a state scholastic event. Can anyone definitely confirm that this feature uses that same database as the MSA player search? (I understand that is updated “several times a day”.) ---
**Author:** ![Localtdforsythe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/8797f3/32.png) [@Localtdforsythe](https://forum.uschess.org/u/Localtdforsythe)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 5:01pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/statesearch-question-data-freshness/412/2 "2005-04-30T17:01:12Z")
It only shows current USCF members (state search) with the last published rating. The MSA is a better tool, as it will show expired members last published rating. The MSA will show current members ID numbers, if there is no official published rating. ---
**Author:** ![namdoog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f04885/32.png) [@namdoog](https://forum.uschess.org/u/namdoog)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 5:18pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/statesearch-question-data-freshness/412/3 "2005-04-30T17:18:06Z")
I’m still not sure about this. The MSA Player Search is too cumbersome if you’re trying to create a list in advance. Sure, the State Search only includes current members, but that’s probably good enough if I take a snapshot the morning of a tournament… IF it as current as the Player Search data. ---
**Author:** ![nolan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/nolan/32/174_2.png) [@nolan](https://forum.uschess.org/u/nolan)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 5:59pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/statesearch-question-data-freshness/412/4 "2005-04-30T17:59:23Z")
The default for the state ranked lists is to show the CURRENT published regular rating. That means that until June 1st, it will show the ratings as of the April supplement. On June 1st it will switch over to using the June ratings. (You can, however, request the ranked list be based on the June supplement once that data becomes available.) As a reminder to all TDs, unless you have announced otherwise in all pre-tournament publicity, USCF rules require you to use the current published ratings of your players for section or prize eligibility and pairing purposes. Therefore the published ratings as shown on the ‘general’ tab on MSA or in the state lists are the ratings you should be using. When the ratings are set for the June supplement (probably in about a week), those will become the new ratings for events that start on or after June 1st, the April ratings should still be used for events that begin prior to June 1st. TDs may find the custom ratings lists available through the TD/Affiliate Support Area a better source of ratings and membership information when preparing for tournaments. ---
**Author:** ![tombr](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3e96dc/32.png) [@tombr](https://forum.uschess.org/u/tombr)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 11:39pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/statesearch-question-data-freshness/412/5 "2005-04-30T23:39:29Z")
I understand the question to be whether the membership is up to date. Nothing to do with rating. ---
**Author:** ![rfeditor](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/aca169/32.png) [@rfeditor](https://forum.uschess.org/u/rfeditor)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2005, 11:50pm UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/statesearch-question-data-freshness/412/6 "2005-04-30T23:50:38Z")
1. One of the more useful (undocumented) features of the “old” ratings page was the ability to “chain” ID numbers – you could type in a string of ID numbers and get list of all the players. This was handy for checking entry lists. 2. An annoying features of the current MSA is that it is too sensitive to exact matches – a trailing space after the ID will get you a “no match” response. (Note that I usually do this via copy/paste from inside the pairing program, which ignores trailing spaces.) ---
**Author:** ![nolan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/nolan/32/174_2.png) [@nolan](https://forum.uschess.org/u/nolan)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2005, 12:06am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/statesearch-question-data-freshness/412/7 "2005-05-01T00:06:34Z")
The state ranked lists are generated from the same database as MSA, so it should have the same expiration date and published rating. However, the state ranked lists do NOT include former members, only current members. I don’t know why the search engine on MSA should be touchier than the one Al Losoff had, but I didn’t write MSA. The person who did tended to write, well, unique code. I think Laura has the multiple ID capability in the development version of MSA. I’m still planning to move MSA to a better database engine in the next month or two, that will involve a general rewrite of the database query portions of MSA. I think I just fixed the problem with leading or trailing blanks on IDs, a one line fix but it took me 30 minutes to find the right line. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![system](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/flex019/user_avatar/forum.uschess.org/system/32/2_2.png) [@system](https://forum.uschess.org/u/system)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2024, 8:38am UTC](https://forum.uschess.org/t/statesearch-question-data-freshness/412/8 "2024-04-22T08:38:58Z")