So who will be submitting an ADM to clarify in the rulebook as to whether notating is required for every move if the time control includes a delay of 30+?
The Rules Committee appears to be working on an ADM.
Nice!
Once the rules committee is done working on the ADM can it be posted here so those of us not on the rules committee can provide feedback?
I donāt know - its not my call.
Since rules 15B and 15C on scorekeeping are being worked on here, this would be an excellent opportunity to fix the mistake in the rulebook in that there is currently no rule that states scorekeeping isnāt required in quick chess and have it mentioned somewhere in these rules.
Try contacting the current chair of the Rules Committee with this suggestion. BTW, one of the TD Tips (I know, I know - Tips are not rules) for 5C (labeled Quick Chess) does mention that there is no score keeping for that time control.
Yes. Patience, grasshopper!
Iām not sure what the proper protocol is when any committee (not just Rules) prepares an ADM. Does the committee publicize the ADM right away? Or, is it up to the Bylaws committee (or some other committee) to make this call?
Who knows?
Bill Smythe
Bylaws is not a gatekeeper for ADMs. Any delegate can submit one to the office. They are compiled. If one addresses an issue for which we have a committee that motion will generally be forwarded to the relevant committee for review and discussion. Bylaws would not deal a rules motion
ADMs get published well before the Delegateās meeting(s). I suspect discussion here - and other places - will take place like it always seems to do each year.
They are published in the Delegates Call
On a related note, there are TD Tipa after rules 15B and 15C that say:
āTD TIP: Only players in games with increment time controls of 30 seconds or more and using properly set increment capable clocks are required to keep score at all times, even in the last five minutes of any time control period. Players using improperly set increment clocks or non-increment capable clocks, even those clocks adjusted for an increment time control, are regulated by Rule 15B (or 15C).ā
This TD Tip seems to basically say that if an increment clock wasnāt set correctly for the 30 (or more) seconds of increment, the players arenāt required to notate once of of the players drops below five minutes. However, if itās discovered that the clock didnāt have the increment set correctly, wouldnāt you just fix it and then the players would be required to notate every move?
Note: it says āPlayers usingā. If the clock is corrected (which it should be if it is noticed), then the players will no longer be using an incorrectly set clock.
If the players donāt realize that the clock is set with the wrong amount of increment or not set with the increment at all, they will think the 30 (or more) seconds of increment are set and will be notating every move.
If the players realize that the clock is set with the wrong amount of increment or not set with the increment at all, it should be corrected and then the players will notate every move.
Therefore, Iām not sure what the point is of mentioning an incorrectly set increment clock here.
Some clocks are set incorrectly because they CANāT be set correctly (they donāt have the option to handle the section time control). And shockingly, some clocks may be set to the wrong time control because the players goofed. Yes, itās very likely that someone (one of the players or the TD) will notice before someone gets in time trouble that something is very wrong with the clock settings since the time remaining will be quite different from the other clocks. (Delay vs no delay is easy to miss; +30 missing, not so much). But what is the harm of including the language as a just-in-case? There is plenty of language in the rule book which is there because players (and TDās) arenāt as diligent as we would like them to be.
What sort of ājust-in-caseā situation are you thinking about here?
Simple example.
Players were under the impression that under five minutes they could stop keeping score. If the delay is on then a TD can ask a player to correct their score through the last move before making the next one (regardless of how many moves are missing). If the delay is off (or too small) then the TD can rule that moves not recorded while the delay was off are covered by 15B/15C and the recording of moves only needs to be done for future moves (thus avoiding somebody flagging while trying to catch up on the moves that did not need to be recorded under the clockās erroneous setting).
Donāt forget about Bronstein delay. Itās always fun to deal with when players flag using Bronstein delay.
Why is it always fun to deal with Bronstein delay when a player flags when using a clock with Bronstein delay?
I think he was being sarcastic.
Yeahā¦I suppose the sarcasm didnāt make it through the ether. Many players donāt know the difference between US delay and Bronstein delay. I have had to deal with angry/upset players on several occasions which flagged with Bronstein delay because they didnāt unattended how it worked.