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Do FIDE Blitz tournaments have to be registered beforehand like FIDE standard tournaments do?
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Will FIDE still rate a Blitz event that took place last November but was never registered and still hasn’t been submitted?
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Does FIDE require color information for Blitz events?
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Yes they still do need to be registered beforehand. Send the information to Walter Brown (wbrown@uschess.org)
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Ask Walter Brown but I doubt it.
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Yes they require color information.
If you’re going to do a FIDE rated event I recommend using SwissSys and then sending Walter the final round file. He can then from SwissSys generate a Krause format tournament report for uploading to the FIDE rating server.
Best make sure you or the whoever is a licensed arbiter as well…
Thanks! I was curious because a Blitz Tournament I played in last November that was USCF rated, uschess.org/msa/XtblMain.php?201211239512, was also suppose to be FIDE rated but the organizers never registered the tournament beforehand or obtained and reported color information (and it’s impossible for them to know the correct color information as we played each opponent twice and just reported the results like 1-1). (I did email Walter Brown as you suggested but got no response. This silence from the USCF is becoming increasingly frustrating and is why I hope everyone votes for Randy Bauer for the EB as he values and understands that the USCF needs better communication!)
A few days ago the tournament was registered!: ratings.fide.com/tournament_deta … vent=81310. However, they still don’t have the color information to report. Is it possible that FIDE will rated the tournament without color information? I did notice an event from early 2007 that seemed to have been rated without color information but that was the first year FIDE started requiring color information and maybe there was a grace period.
Color information isn’t going to work as well for double-round blitz events with Swiss Sys. The score is given but 1-1 is reported as just that, 1-1, with a win and a loss but the actual results could be a loss and a win. The only way around that is to force people to play first the color that Swiss Sys assigns. I have never forced people to play as assigned in double round events since they play both colors. FIDE’s need for color information might change that in the future.
Blitz events need only be registered 3 days in advance. I wouldn’t try to do it with only 3 days notice, several weeks is best as it gives time for human delays.
FIDE has rated several events that were mistakenly not registered but I doubt that continues forever. I strongly doubt that they would go back to November to rate an unregistered event that is 7 months old.
1-1 could also mean two draws! We did first play the color that Swiss Sys assigned but the 1-1 results that we reported just meant 1 win and loss for each player and didn’t specify who won the first game and who won the second.
Even though it has now been registered and listed on the FIDE site, ratings.fide.com/tournament_deta … vent=81310, and FIDE is trying to get more rated Blitz tournaments?
You need to look and see that it was registered for the June 2013 rating list. FIDE does not go and do any form of re-rating.
I’m sure if an event wasn’t registered and submitted at the fault of the national federation, it wouldn’t get held against the organizers or players and FIDE would rate the event when it was submitted unless it was grossly after the fact.
While your specific event was registered 5 months after the fact I think some slippage will be allowed because Blitz and Rapid events add a new dynamic.
I’d recommend that if you have some inkling of events that you will organize, put out your calendar, get them all registered by the USCF. If you don’t hold them, the USCF can delete them from the FIDE rating server.
As for colors, I always require them to play the colors assigned by SwissSys for this exact reason. It’s a little bit more work for the TD but in the long run a good habit to get into.
I know WinTD but not SwissSys.
In WinTD you expand the results and enter the results of each game individually. Can you do the same in SwissSys or are you limited to just 0-2, 0.5-1.5, 1-1, 1.5-0.5, 2-0 results without being able to specify order, distribution or color?
You’re limited to 0-2, 0.5-1.5, etc. You could get around this by pairing a 5 round double Swiss as a 10 round single Swiss, with the pairings for each even round the same as the pairings for the previous odd round with colors reversed. You’d probably want to set the rating difference limit for alternation to 0.
SwissSys has a utility to convert a double swiss to a format acceptable for USCF. For example, I did a five round double swiss that came out as an .sac file (for tenth round, complete). That somehow breaks up the double round into two single rounds with the correct number of total points, since that is all USCF cares about. If you want to make it correct, you can go there and edit it to have the correct colors and game results. I’ve never bothered, but then I’ve never done FIDE-rated blitz, either.
Alex Relyea
Yes, you can. When you convert the file from a double round to a single round (i.e. 5rd dbl = 10 rd), in order to submit for rating, you can hand edit the results and COULD change 1-1 to two draws, but the current double round reporting sheet only asks for the score, not for the individual rounds. The only way to know every round results is to have a reporting sheet that does game by game results OR have a single round swiss. Having a double round result sheet would be hard, e.g.
makes more sense if you see it visually: region3chess.com/blitz_score.htm
Personally, I think it is MUCH easier if FIDE just go on pretending that color in blitz results are important 
WinTD has nine types of entries instead of five: WW; WD; WL; DW; DD; DL; LW; LD; LL with the first letter of each pair being for the player listed first and game listed first, and the second letter being for the player listed first and game listed second (when color reporting and cumulative tie-breaks don’t matter you can just use the first three and last two). It can thus do the entire gamut of results and I think it assumes that the first game has the first player playing white while the second game has that same player playing black. No further manual manipulation is needed, but it does require one keystroke per games instead of one per pairing.
Having 9 types still doesn’t deal with all possible results for one or both games.
What if the first game is won by player A (with white) but the second game is, for some reason, a forfeit?
And that doesn’t get into area of ‘inconsistent results’, such as a game where it is rated as a win for both players, or as a win for one player and a draw for the other player.
To muddy the waters further, suppose both games are initially reported as drawn but later the USCF is notified by the TD that player A won one of the games (as White.) For the purposes of reporting the event to FIDE, and possibly for other reasons in the future, do we need to know if player A had White first or if player B did?
FWIW, the FAQ on TD/A was recently updated to add information about the various ways to submit double round robin events. If those prove to be much more commonplace as Blitz events, we may need to work with the pairing program authors to enhance both their capability to handle double RR events and ours.
WinTD can still flag forfeits or split the results to handle the muddiness.
You make it seem like I was the TD for this event and the one who registered the tournament extremely late but it was Fred Kleist (10312884).
The tournament crosstable has now been submitted to FIDE ratings.fide.com/view_source.phtml?code=81310. Since no color information was reported by the TD to the USCF, the color information reported to FIDE is not totally correct. Maybe FIDE should occasionally allow tournaments to be submitted without color information as that is better than having someone submit random color information that is incorrect.
Are you sure that Walter and the TD didn’t work together to get the proper color information when it was submitted?
Yes, because the color information submitted to FIDE is not correct.
Also, to get your first FIDE rating, do you have to play 3 different FIDE rated players or simply 3 games against FIDE rated players and they can be the same person?
Also, if you go to my individual calculations for the event, ratings.fide.com/individual_calc … -06-01&t=2, why doesn’t it include my two games against Masayuki Nagase? He has a FIDE rating.
Did he have a FIDE rating before this tournament?
Yes
Then why is his Ro=0?
According to FIDE, Masayuki Nagase did not have a published FIDE Blitz rating prior to June, and still doesn’t have the 9 games it takes to have a published FIDE Blitz rating.