I would not assume that at all. After 1/1/12 an event advertised at G25 should then be assumed is G25 without any delay.
If an event advertised Game 25 d/5 then you can assume it is dual rated.
TLAs will need to include the delay or increment. Mr. Nolan is aware of that. So in a TLA you should look at the delay or increment note. Also we noted that with that information the TLA can note how the event will be rated. Right now TLAs generally indicate an event that is quick rated only.
Which is fantastic. Hopefully this will reduce the sloppiness of TLAs and further minimize impacts from “house rules”, when an out-of-town player expects a standard time control treatment and is instead presented with “Well, such and such is how we do it around here.”
Er, you do realize how much of an adjustment it will be for organizers and TDs to include the delay time in their TLAs? How many TLAs in the latest “Chess Life” specify delay or increment time?
I agree it’s a good thing to be as explicit and specific as possible—but it will be a major change that will take time to sink in. We shall see.
I’ve done a number of tournaments that have never had the deduction and I’ve still seen people automatically take it (and be shocked when I ask them to set the clock correctly). Also, I’ve done a number of CCA events where the deduction used to be standard but is no longer done, and I’ve had to correct how people set their clocks.
Four strokes on a keyboard.
Not enough.
I am afraid I disagree with this interpretation. G/25 is defined as quick chess, and the standard delay for quick chess is three seconds. In the absence of any other information, I believe a time control of “G/25” should be read as though it were written “G/25 d/3”. (Please note that, as the rule book uses the term, “quick chess” is not the same as “quick rated.”)
Alarm bells. Note that I’m addressing the publishing requirement, not the quick/dual rating category.
As of 1/1/12, should a player expect that the published time control is THE time control? Or will we have to second guess based on organizer as to whether they mean “published time control with unpublished standard delay”???
Just for clarification, is there an ADM which confirm the publishing requirement or will this be policy by Delegate interpretation?
If this is true, it is a matter of extreme concern to me.
If an organizer after 1/1/2012 sends in a TLA which states 40/120 then SD/60, are we now to assume there is to be no delay?? This would be a huge step backward, and it would happen a lot.
If neither delay nor increment are announced, d/5 should continue to be assumed. The only possible exception might be events in the G/25 through G/29 range, where explicit announcement of the delay could be required.
Even then, I would prefer that controls down through G/25 be assumed d/5 (and thus regular- or dual-rated) unless otherwise specified.
One way or the other, the Chess Life and online editors are going to have to be vigilant for a while, with those TLAs for faster-control events.
Having said all that, I would nevertheless encourage all organizers to begin to explicitly mention the delay or increment in all their new TLAs.
Bill Smythe
The problewm with assuming the G25-G29 just has a d/5 is that not all of them do. There is an increase in increment tournaments - just assuming delay will not properly communicate to players what the time controls are.
TLAs will need to state delay/increment and there was discussion of how to make sure that info was in. The submission of the TLA is going to have to be reviewed for that information and I am sure there will be an increase in calls back to organizers until the understanding of the need to include that information sinks in. Meanwhile, submit your TLAs with the delay or increment time noted and you will have no problems and your players will know what they are getting.
Thank you, Steve
Great News! I could have used this rule this past weekend. And even though I had used an analog clock for many years, I now find it worrisome when the flag gets to less than 1 minute. You have no clue as to when it may fall and you have to keep observing close up.
How would this rule be implemented? And When?
Would the “Rules changes updated(PDF)” under Announcements on the Home page be updated to reflect this? Last Update - 5May2011
Can the USCF do something better to reflect changing Rules like making it front and center?
EG - A main topic button under the home page called “RULES”.
I would like to see this new rule in official written form as proof. This is due to some TD’s including some National TD’s not knowing the rules.
When an NTD doesn’t know a rule it’s because it’s not a rule.
Steve Immitt is the author of this motion and may want to also reply.
It is my understanding it kicks in on January 1, 2012. Just announce it is in effect at the tournament.
As for the USCF site–it is in the hands of whoever deals with such issues at the USCF office.
Here is the rule from the unofficial minutes:
ADM 11-41 (Steve Immitt, NY) Right Of All Players To Furnish And Use Time-Delay Clocks
The Delegates approve adding to Rule 42-D the following minor variation:
“A properly set clock with time delay or increment capability is preferable to any other clock in a game with any sudden death time control. Therefore, if White has such a clock available and Black does not, White’s clock should be used. If either player arrives late for the start of the game, and a clock without time delay or increment has already been started, the player has the right to furnish and substitute a properly set time-delay or increment clock, prior to the determination of Black’s first move. The player substituting the time-delay or increment clock must also transfer the elapsed times shown on the non-delay clock to the delay or increment clock, without any additional adjustments (except to correct any errors in the display of the elapsed time). The player substituting the delay or increment clock must have arrived at the board before the grace period for forfeit loss of the game by non-appearance (13-D) has expired. Notwithstanding the above, the only occasions where Black retains the right to use his/her non-time-delay clock are in games with no sudden death time control, in cases where both players have the same type of non-time-delay clock, or if the delay mode were not being used in a sudden death time control game, and if, in all these cases, Black has arrived in time for the start of the game (or if White is late, before White has arrived). In any particular game, if the delay clock cannot be properly set, then the opponent of the player providing the delay or increment clock may choose which legal clock is to be used (5F).
-When a TD tells you after your flag falls: You lose the game even though your opponent has just a lone King. And says, “I looked it up in the book”.
-When a NTD quickly and incorrectly denies your Draw claim due to a Triple Occurence of Position without setting it up on a board. And then incorrectly takes away 1 minute instead of adding 2 minutes to your opponent. The NTD will not defer to the rulebook but finally relents to 2 international arbiters.
-When a NTD tells you: You cannot adjust your opponents pieces, even on your own time. And says, “Look it up, it’s in the book”.
Either the (N)TD:
-does not know the rule.
-does not want to know the rule, because of who they are.
-creates a rule because they can.