When you have a player that leaves a tournament just before the beginning of the last round, is there any need to withdraw him or her from the tournament? Is giving the player a forfeit without withdrawing the player sufficient? (Please see my next post to understand what I was actually referring to.)
Withdrawing without notice is rude. It should not be condoned.
I wasn’t referring to what you understood me to mean. I am not talking about people who forfeit without withdrawing. I am not talking about people at all. I am not trying to condone leaving a tournament without announcement.
I am talking about forfeiting a player in a tournament using the means to forfeit him or her by what Chessnut gives me, but not using the withdrawing method afforded me by Chessnut. If it was not the last round, I would withdraw them using the Chessnut method; but if it is the last round, is there a need to use the Chessnut method to withdraw them in addition to forfeiting? Being it is the last round may make it unnecessary to use the withdraw function in the Chessnut software. So, I am asking is it necessary to use the withdraw method process in Chessnut in the last round if someone leaves the tournament just before the last round starts?
I’ve never seen Chessnut so I am not sure what you are saying.
Is assigning a forfeit equivalent to assigning a requested zero point bye? If so then the cross-table would be a bit deceptive even though the scores and tie-breaks would still be correct.
Are you using forfeit for a loss on time? (time forfeit). Or for any other assigned loss? (refusal to follow rules). If so then that is incorrect - they are normal losses. (an assigned loss for not following the rules may sometimes also involve an ejection where you would withdraw them).
A forfeit loss should only be used for an unplayed game where a player was paired. If you are also using it for requested zero-point byes then check to see if Chessnut has a different way of handling it properly. Normally a true forfeit loss also involves removing a player but sometimes there is a valid reason for not doing that (post-pairings pre-game physical injury requiring medical attention, confusion about round start time, illness, etc.). In WinTD there is a default that fills in the withdraw checkbox of a forfeiting player, but that can be overridden at either the time of the withdrawal or later. In SwissSys there is an option to withdraw all players that forfeited that round.
A primary function of withdrawing a player is to make sure you do not pair the player in a future round. If there is no future round then that is not an issue.
A secondary issue concerns whether or not a withdrawn player is eligible for prizes. If Chessnut excludes those players from prize eligibility, and if you do not want those players to be eligible for prizes, then withdraw them in addition to forfeiting them.
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Chessnut uses forfeit to claim an unplayed game was unplayed by someone who did not present himself or herself to play. Withdraw is used to put someone out of the tournament in Chessnut. But as far as determining who wins 1st through 3rd and whatever else, the version I use leaves choosing winners up to the TDs. I was only wondering was it necessary to withdraw a player who forfeited the last round in the tournament? Does the US Chess receiving system need the player to be withdrawn as well as forfeited for the last round when the tournament results are filed with US Chess?
There is no withdrawn flag in the results upload file to TD/A. It is not tracked by US chess.
The primary purpose for withdrawing a player who didn’t show up for a round (thus getting a forfeit loss) from the event is to avoid accidentally pairing that player in a later round, which is irrelevant if this is the last round. It is not unheard of, though, for an administratively withdrawn player to be reinstated in the tournament if the player can offer a good excuse for missing that round without notice.
Removing no-shows from the first round is somewhat different, in that it means the player’s ID will not show as having been in that event at all.
Under the hood, when you withdraw a player in chess nut it ensures the player will not get paired in future rounds. It gives them an unplayed result when submitting to US Chess for those rounds. If there are no other rounds is is practically equivalent to giving them an unplayed / zero point result.
As you noted there is also a way to forfeit followed by withdraw. In that case, the round in question gets the forfeit result and future rounds all get unplayed results
To just withdraw someone you can do this:
To forfeit and withdraw a player who perhaps didn’t show up for a match, you can click the flag:
