Membership Exception Requests question

Why bother with all those options in the Membership Exception Requests when only one option is of any value?

I had an event last weekend where a player entered and presented to me his expired USCF card and e-mail, USCF had sent him, regarding his confirmation of an on-line membership purchase. The receipt has a USCF order number on it. Since the receipt was dated for the Friday before the event I expected to find this member and an ID in the MSA section. To date I have found nothing. This player also confirms that as of today he has not received an ID number from USCF. This is particularly puzzling given that new/renewed memberships done on-line with a charge card are almost instantaneous. I have a copy of the receipt in my possession.

By the way, after the event, using the MSA, I found out this player is renewing a membership from way back in 1997. By comparing the MSA membership info with the on-line receipt info I discovered, on the Monday after the event, that back in 1997 he used a different first name (nickname), lived in another city, and lived in a different state. I suspect the USCF may treat him as a new Unrated player, issuing him a new ID number; however, they may also see that this is the same person and simply renew his membership using the old ID number. Either way I don’t understand why his membership, that he has a receipt for, has not been processed. I would have guessed a Credit Card problem but my memory says that the card is rejected at the time of the purchase if it is invalid.

I tried to submit my event on-line. The event is rejected for submission due to USCF indicating this one player is not a member. I went to the Membership Exception Requests section and indicated in the space for “other” the details above, including the USCF order number. That still makes no difference; i.e., I am not allowed to submit this event on-line.

Since I am not allowed to submit the event and my request for an exception is not useful I will need to consider some hard solutions for now and the future.

First, I can risk upsetting my customers, the players, by never honoring any on-line receipt issued by USCF or any other organizer.

Two, I can risk the wrath of USCF by simply not submitting the event until they acknowledge that those receipts are valid. They should at least honor their own receipts.

Three, I can add an extra cost to the event by claiming, incorrectly, that the player is a house player. Using any other option on the Membership Exception Requests results in the event not being rated.

Four, I can risk upsetting players when they register by requiring they pay for another additional new/renewal membership, despite the fact they have a valid receipt. I suppose a variation would be to hold onto their extra membership payment until their membership is confirmed/denied using the on-line system.

Five, spend a considerable amount of time contacting USCF directly to see how I can resolve this issue.

Six, pay an outrageous fee to the hotel that the event is/was held at for internet access.

I don’t like those options. It appears the easiest solution, but not the correct or best solution, is option 3 above.

It appears that all those Membership Exception Requests options are useless. Why? The only option that allows you to submit your event is the “house” player option. The other options seem to have no function.

Tim

Did the receipt say pending? Did a online membership to get the scholastic player a ID number for the event. The online membership card did say ‘pending’, as I placed it to be paid by check. As the mother did not give me the money to pay for the membership before the event, only the word she would bring the money during the time of registering. During the time the membership was pending, it was not on the MSA. With the edit a tournament, it did say there was a error with this player. Did pay the membership, and a few minutes later the event was accepted for rating.

What could have happen, the person that sold him the membership, did a online membership with a check to be sent the office. If you have a copy of the receipt of the membership, it should show the name and ID of the person selling the membership.

True, this receipt could be a different receipt. But they do issue tempory USCF cards, and on it it could say pending. The director would have to send in a check, or correct the membership with a different batch.

Douglas,

Let me make this more clear. This player went on-line Friday night before the event. He signed up to renew an old USCF membership. He used his credit card. He was e-mailed a receipt from the USCF with an order number on it (I suspect this is an automated process). Those receipts have only the order number on it, not the name of anyone at the USCF office. Every bit of info on that receipt was indicated on the Membership Exception Requests screen. If the USCF does not honor their own receipts then the TD has a lot of unsavory decisions to make when the player entering their events uses it as proof of USCF membership.

Tim

Tim, at a guess what you saw was the confirmation that the web order had been sent from Earthlink’s web store to the USCF for processing.

This is NOT a receipt, it is an order acknowledgement.

Having an order acknowledgement does not mean that it was processed, or that it can be processed, or that it will ever be processed.

There could be a number of things trip it up such as missing information or a denial on the credit card. If the office is unable to resolve the problem and there is insufficient information supplied to contact the member, that transaction may go in the ‘cannot complete’ pile.

If the customer gives us a valid e-mail address (about half of the web orders have one), we send him or her a note within minutes indicating that the order could not be processed. However, if there is no e-mail address, or if it is invalid, or if it is blocked because of anti-spam measures, the customer does not receive any notification that the order was not processed.

In this case, the order got tripped up because of the first name mismatch (Bobby vs Robert). He did give us an e-mail address, assuming it was valid he should have received notification that his order was being sent to the membership department to be processed manually, we sent that e-mail at around 1:35 PM on Friday afternoon.

About 75% of all web orders get processed within a few minutes, with the member usually receiving two e-mails, one from the credit card processor (though it says it comes from uscf@uschess.org with their ID, expiration date and PIN. Those transactions also show up on MSA within a few hours.

Those orders that cannot be processed immediately get sent to the membership department for manual processing. I think they’re about a week behind on them at the moment, they just finished up the ones from December on Monday.

In my spare time (that’s a joke, son!), I’m working on a rewrite of the webstore that will give us true real-time order processing. This will mean that the customer will know right away whether the order has been processed or the reason it was not processed. (In the case of a new membership, the customer will know his USCF ID right away, too.)

Once that new webstore is operational, the specific problem that you encountered here will disappear, online memberships will either be processed with immediate feedback to the member or the member will be told why the order could not be processed. There will be no ambiguity about whether or not the membership was processed.

Each of the options on the exception report has a specific purpose. Some can be approved automatically, others require manual review. Some will trigger a daily re-check of your event to see if pending memberships have been processed yet.

Here’s what happens with each type of request:

A house player request is for a non-member who is playing only because there is an odd number of players. There are limits placed on how many house players can play in a round and how many rounds a house player can play. Those meeting those limitations get approved automatically.

A JTP player request is to be used when the TD has some of those green pre-numbered forms and wants to handle one online instead of sending in the form, which will delay when it gets entered into the system. These cannot be approved automatically because we need to put through a membership transaction. (The TD/A membership module requires that the ID be valid in order to process a renewal on the computer, this was the easiest way I could come up with to get around that limitation, and this request category should only be used when the TD wants to use the green forms.)

A FIDE request is to identify foreign FIDE titled players. These are checked against the latest FIDE list and those IDs that meet the criteria are approved automatically.

A ‘payment by check from this event’ request allows us to match up membership batches with tournament data. If, when your event is checked, the only membership issues are ones for which you have submitted this type of request, you will be able to submit the event for rating using the ‘payment by check’ option. That’s because you’re already sending in a check anyway and we have to wait for the memberships to be processed.

Once we get on the new ratings system how we handle this option may change somewhat, but I still don’t know if we will want to permit credit card payment of a ratings fee when there are checks in transit for the membership dues for those players.

I think it’s bad business policy to charge for a service if you don’t know when you’ll be able to perform it, and if for any reason the event couldn’t be rated for 30 days there are some federal laws that probably apply regarding notice and cancellation options that I’d rather not have to program.

The ‘receipt’ option is for when you have a receipt from another TD. Some of these can be approved automatically, some cannot.

With either the ‘payment by check from this event’ or the ‘receipt’ options, we run a daily check to see if the membership has cleared yet.

The ‘other’ option is for situations that don’t fit into any of the above categories. That’s what you selected for this individual, though since in this case what we’re really doing is waiting for the membership department to get to that online order the exception request isn’t really needed.

I don’t think we need a separate category for ‘online order pending’, especially since the new webstore will eliminate any necessity for it.

Note that if you were to re-code your request as a ‘receipt’ it would then trigger the daily check. (I’d put ‘USCF WEBSITE’ in as the affiliate name.)

Any time someone cannot show you a current ID or proof of payment (and an order confirmation is NOT proof of payment), you have to decide what you want to do.

If you don’t want to collect dues again, even though our rulebook indicates you should probably do so, then you have to allow time for whatever it was you accepted in lieu of proof of membership to complete. You’re still cutting a good two weeks off the processing time for your event compared to mailing it to the office.

This is really no change from what has always happened behind the scenes at the USCF office. When you mail in a report, you’re left in the dark as to what’s happening with it. With online submission, you’re more aware of what’s delaying the rating of your report. I think that’s better than not knowing the reasons why.

An even sticker problem, IMHO, is when a player shows you a receipt from another TD (or says he paid that TD but doesn’t have a receipt). As you wrote in the rulebook, TDs have to consider these on a case-by-case-basis.

But what happens when that other TD doesn’t send in the membership?

This is a lose-lose proposition all the way around. The member doesn’t have the membership he paid for and your event is going to get delayed because you have a non-member in it in violation of rule 23C.

Mike,

Thanks for the explaination.

So, the bottom line is that no matter what, the event is held up until the office gets around to processing memberships whenever they have time. Lose-Lose is right.

By the way where can I view what a valid receipt from USCF looks like?

Tim

Tim,

I’m not sure if this helps, but I did the Christmas Knock Out at Lindsborg last month, and when I was submitting, I had to do several membership exceptions for foreign GMs. Some were approved automatically, the rest were approved manually (at 9:00 Christmas Eve no less). I assume that I made mistakes in entering the ones that had to be approved manually. I guess what I’m trying to say is that it really does work, you just have to be patient.

Alex Relyea

Alex,

Thanks for the encouragement.

To make things worse I could not get the event to upload for about two hours. I kept trying the same thing over and over (insanity?) until it finally loaded. Even then I still had to enter all the new/renewed memberships by hand (my batch file refused to upload from two of my computers and a friend’s computer (using a different ISP) this AM–I even tried saving the text, tab delimited, file with another name-I checked the batch file and found no errors ). Even after I entered the memberships by hand the dang system did not check it until my third request. I now have spent three hours on this event (I spent far less time on last month’s event and I had to enter a double game per round section by hand).

I could have dumped the whole thing to a disk, sent in the rating fee, sent in the memberships and been done in 15 minutes. By the time USCF got the disk that problem membership, from the guy that bought it by himself on-line, would have been, hopefully, processed by USCF.

Perhaps this whole system will be more appealing when we don’t have to wait for the USCF to process memberships by hand.

Tim

Tim

Well, Mike had a good suggestion there; i.e., select “receipt” and use “USCF Website” as the affiliate name. I just received an e-mail (it appears to be an automatic e-mail generated by a computer) that indicated my Membership Exception Request had been approved.

I guess I will try this a few more times and practice a little patience. I also appreciate the help I got on this forum!

Thanks!!

Tim

I wish I knew why some people get timeouts frequently and others seldom or never do. I don’t know if it’s something specific they’re doing, a networking access issue or something we’re doing.

Some of the workarounds that people have found make little or no sense, so they don’t offer much guidance in tracking down the source of the problem.

We did have a problem at our ISP both yesterday and today that was tying up resources and could have led to timeouts. We had to shut the MSA database server down for a couple of hours this afternoon (Jan 12th), but it’s back up now.

Tim,

Did your membership batch file name contain any spaces? I think there is an issue with file names or path names which contain a space character failing to upload, but you were probably aware of that.

As an update, this AM I tried again to upload the batch membership file. I tried the file I had all the problems with. I used the same computer and file name. It worked slick as grease. I think Mike’s observation of computer problems at their end is the reason I had my challanges.

Tim

Our ISP had to restart the MySQL database server several times yesterday and once already today.

I think that the USCF’s transaction volume, largely MSA queries, may be overwhelming the capabilities of MySQL and/or the hardware it’s running on.

I will be exploring ways to address the problem with our ISP.

The other aspect of Tim’s original problem is that over the years everyone has gotten a bit sloppy about things and the USCF office has tended to gloss over details (like checking for existing memberships and enforcing membership rules) in order to get the darned events rated.

This is seldom a good approach. When new IDs are assigned without thorough checking to see if there are existing IDs for those individuals, that creates a lot more work down the road to fix all the duplicates, of which we have thousands!

When memberships aren’t being required to be current, the USCF is losing a significant amount of membership revenue.

Bringing the TDs into the picture by making them an active partner in the membership and rating report submission and validation process rather than the send-it-and-forget-it approach that many TDs have gotten used to is not going to be popular with everyone, either.

Once we resolve any hardware/performance issues, I think that most TDs who use the online submission methods will find they work fairly well, though it may require TDs to change how they prepare for an event, what they do during registration, and both when and how they do the after-event paperwork.

In response to Nolans comment. I agree we TDs are going to have to do more work but hopefully, it will pay off.
The old system had a lot of problems. For example, I just ran a tournament and had problems with three player’s memberships. Two of them played in the NYA in Hershey but are listed in the MSA as non-members (this means they have never been members). So clearly their USCF membership was not correct at the NYA. Another player has played in 4 tournaments despite being a non-member! My guess is that under the old system they were allowed to be included just to get the tournament rated. I had to get them memberships so that I could rate the tournament. If these tournaments had used the online submission system the problems would have never happened or would have been fixed earlier.
Over time, I expect these problems will decrease. Now we need to get USCF to use the online submission system for their national scholastic tournaments so that they don’t create more problems for us local TDs.
Mike