Contrast MUIR and MSA for 202509012582 (2025 LOUISIANA STATE CHAMPIONSHIP):
MUIR:
MSA:
The difference is that there are 3 players in the Lagniappe Games section of the event that were also in the Open, so 101 unique players across the two sections.
I’ve never been sure which number is more accurate.
If I run two sets of quads (morning and afternoon), each with 3 sections having the same 4 players, did I direct an event with 24 players or 12 for experience purposes?
Maybe what it should show is total players (ie, pairing numbers with at least one game) and then number of unique IDs? Extra games sections also complicate things and there’s no simple way to determine that’s what that section is, unless we put in a flag for that, which we’ve never done.
I think this would be useful. I’m also honestly not sure which way either the office or TDAC goes.
I doubt many TDs are close enough to a threshold that it would make much difference. Doesn’t CCA count withdraw/re-enter as 2 entries for prize purposes?
I don’t know how CCA works it, but that’s how the rule book does it.
32C5. Reentry prizes. Unless announced otherwise, reentries (28S) qualify only for prizes calculated by their latest reentry score.
No, I was referring to based-on prize player counts.
Ah. Yes I would think they should if they got another entry fee.
My point is, if you only count unique IDs, you’d miss that. But the challenge is, when an ID is is a section more than once or in more than one section, there are a lot of possible explanations for why, I’m not sure even an AI engine would sort them all out correctly.
Reentries count as half an entry since the entry price is much lower than a regular entry.
For determining which Swiss category a tournament falls into, TDAC counts the number of unique IDs in the Swiss sections of 4+ rounds (3+ rounds for category D). A player that re-entered twice is counted as one player, not three, regardless of whether the re-entries are in the same rating based section or different ones. A house player that only appears in the extra games section is not counted at all. A 97 player Swiss plus a quad section with different players counts as 97 (category C), not 101 (category B) because the quad is not a Swiss.
It seems like there are more than a dozen cases each year where it makes a difference (maybe more because I only hear about the ones that TDCC/TDAC have been informed of - generally due to needing an official confirmation to end a complaint about the office action).
TDA showed the total count of the sections. MSA shows the total unique IDs. When verifying cited directing experience MSA gets checked for the unique ID count.
Also, only players actually playing at the tournament site are counted (round one double forfeits have been used to try to unsuccessfully pad the size of the Swiss). On line events are usable to fulfill some of the substitutable requirements but are not actually one of the OTB Swiss categories (A, B, C, D).
Jeff Wiewel
2025-2026 TDAC Chair
Agree. I gave up on trying to figure out how this should be done decades ago. 
I’d add in do you get credit twice for a tournament that is long enough to rate twice.
I’ve seen sections that have nothing to do with the tournament added in. (A weeknight section held at a club added to a Sunday tournament.)
We have allowed 1 day K-1 students join the K-3 2nd day with byes according to how well they did in the K-1. Do we count them in both places? (depends on the question - experience credit:YES total attendance:NO )
I need to look if the counts included players that were no shows and left in rating report - -at state scholastic this could easily be +10-20 players. if someone is a no show (no refund of EF) it should count toward$ any ba$ed on calc$
For the ones that counts do matter to me personally I open it up and add them up the way I need (want) to.
Organizer counts everything and rounds up to maximize the count unless the count is used for based on prizes.
My opinion would have been to give the credit for a true re-entry – My thinking is that it could be more TD effort than a withdrawal offset by a late entry by a different player.
