Does anyone have experience running events with multiple time controls e.g. a 5 day and 3 day U1800 section.
I’m curious what is the most common way to manage this? Do you use two sections and then just merge them at a certain point and keep the 5-day time control? I’m guessing their is no need to report the faster control so long as it is in the same category? What happens if the faster control technically is Dual rated. Does that get disregarded in these circumstances?
Thanks in advance!
Yes, you merge the sections into one combined section. SwissSys keeps track of which section a player was in pre-merge, I don’t think WinTD does. There’s currently no place to upload that information (which is something that would be nice to have), but that might change under Leago, so if you’re working on that feature, I recommend you keep the pre-merge section information somewhere for possible future use.
If a player is in more than one schedule, only the best score is carried forward for prize purposes, but all games from the other schedule(s) are still rated as part of the same block of games.
Dual rated games are also eligible for regular ratings, quick-only or blitz games are not.
The slowest rating used for any block of games is what determines the ratings system, but you cannot mix regular rated games with quick-only (not dual) or blitz games. You cannot mix quick-only with blitz, either.
Got it. The only part I’m a little fuzzy on is this:
If a player is in more than one schedule, only the best score is carried forward for prize purposes, but all games from the other schedule(s) are still rated as part of the same block of games.
Does that happen practically speaking? So like John Doe is in the U1800 5 day and the U1800 3 day?
It happens quite frequently in the US Open, not sure about other events.
wow, that is wild. Thanks for the context
I’ve also seen it happen in events where you can play round 1 either Friday night or Saturday morning. Someone loses Friday night, then re-enters Saturday morning.
Is this widely accepted to be a legitimate practice? to me, this smacks of like a poker tournament more than a mostly skill based competition. I don’t really see this anywhere else. There is no re-entry into Wimbledon or March Madness. The Masters doesn’t let someone re-play a back 9 that they flubbed the day before.
I’m thinking about this primarily from the standpoint of chessnut.club and, at least for now, I’m not going to support a single player being able to participate in the same round of the same section multiple times. Its not a technical challenge as much as a vector for user experience confusion and nightmares
There is no regulation requiring an organizer to offer this option. In particular, there is no rule requiring them to offer the re-entry at half price. Few other competitions offer divergent schedules. That said, the practice benefits the organizer by providing another source of income, and it benefits players who may have sizable travel costs and get a second bite of the apple to help justify those costs. That said, I certainly understand why one would consider the practice abhorrent. You’re not the first to express that view.
I don’t understand the second bite at the apple part. These are mostly swiss tournaments so they aren’t eliminated. Just pick yourself up and try to play better in your next matches.
It isn’t a thing for a class player in, say, a US Open. But in a class section where 4-1 won’t win a prize, it can be a consideration.
I always looked at it as a win/win.
o The event gets extra revenue. (maybe prize funds raised)
o Player gets a second chance (happy customer idea!?) - especially when they get a poor pairing due to few players on Friday night - (or perhaps was just not feeling well)
o Happy customer part II – Might get more of a chess fight on Friday night since 1/2 point bye is available on Saturday morning - or playing at faster (G/90 is consider pretty slow these days especially to youth) for the full point.
o Just guessing here but I am pretty chatty with chess players on lots of chess topics and I never heard anyone complain about re-entry/second chance not being fair although I have heard lots of criticism about bye policy to the point where I don’t do last round 1/2 point byes.
I have not seen a lot of the long weekend 6 round (merge round 3) tournaments lately which had even more options for the players - most seem to be 5 round types.
In some events, like ones with a round on Friday night, a high rated player who draws or loses to a lower rated player in the Friday round may choose to withdraw and re-enter on Saturday, paying another entry fee. You still rate that game.
I don’t know how common multi-day events that offer withdraw/re-enter are anymore.
I had mapped out a four round Saturday tournament (four to allow a chance for some norms - 3@g/60+1/2bye for the folks that do not want to play any faster than that)
Schedule A - G/25-G/25-Merge G/60-G/60
Schedule B - G/60-1/2bye-Merge G/60-G/60
if schedule B game 1 quickly goes bad - you can switch to schedule A with a 1/2 bye for round 1 –
when I mentioned it to someone they said why limit it from a quick B to A – let A or B reenter their own section with a 1/2 bye - as long as they want to pay a re-entry fee and the normal bye policy is in place.