FIDE Bank Account Closed--Time for a New Federation?

en.chessbase.com/post/fide-bank-account-closed

telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/02 … t-accused/

bbc.com/news/world-europe-43053626

independent.co.uk/news/world … 10036.html

reuters.com/article/us-ches … SKCN1FY2HQ

bloombergquint.com/onweb/20 … ts-account

Why is the guy still the president? Obviously having Kirsan Ilyumzhinov in the organization is why FIDE’s bank accounts got frozen. Why hasn’t he volunteered to resign?

You must have him confused with someone who cares about FIDE

:slight_smile: He’d still be doing his corrupt magic if the US Treasury hadn’t caught him out.

From the New York Times 2-16-18 after the indictments - it is not about Kirsan but it makes the point about Putin’s buddies

msn.com/en-us/news/world/mee … LLSIGDHP17

ST. PETERSBURG, Russia — Long before he was indicted by the United States in a case involving the troll factory that spearheaded Russian efforts to meddle in the 2016 United States elections, Yevgeny V. Prigozhin emerged from prison just as the Soviet Union was collapsing and opened a hot-dog stand.

Soon, he has said, the rubles were piling up faster than his mother could count them in the kitchen of their modest apartment, and he was launched on his improbable career. He earned the slightly mocking nickname of “Putin’s cook.”

Despite his humble, troubled youth, Mr. Prigozhin became one of Russia’s richest men, joining a charmed circle whose members often share one particular attribute: their proximity to President Vladimir V. Putin. The small club of loyalists who gain Mr. Putin’s trust often feast, as Mr. Prigozhin has, on enormous state contracts. In return, they are expected to provide other, darker services to the Kremlin as needed.

On Friday, Mr. Prigozhin was one of 13 Russians indicted by the United States special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, for interfering in the American election.

Back when the Panama Papers came out linking certain high profile Russians chess persons to Putin and when Mueller first took over the investigation, I speculated about Kirsan and FIDE becoming part of the investigation. The sanctions allegations against Kirsan indicate that he has likely been doing Putin’s bidding for a long time and not simply traveling to give away chess sets. :smiley:

I’ve saying that - and posting that - for some time in here.

We do not have the votes to remove him. We opposed his election - multiple times. There is only so much we can do and, if we take active steps we can in fact solidify some support for him. So, those that put him in have to take the action to take him out. Meanwhile we watch out for our players and others like arbiters and trainers, and enjoy professional level events that fall outside the FIDE organizational umbrella.

Removing Kirsan would obviously be a good idea, but anyone who thinks that this alone will solve all the problems with FIDE is deluding himself. It was certainly a good idea to remove Campomanes. His replacement was Kirsan. How has that worked out? Kirsan will be replaced by someone acceptable to the gang that put him in. The name of the singer changes, but the song remains the same.

I hesitate to even grant this a shred of dignity, but unless one addresses social media bullies they go on to spread rumors, innuendo and lies unchecked.

It has come to my attention that a particular blogger in Georgia has taken my quote above and basically said that I have killed for Kirsan to be killed due to my use of the phrase “take him out”. This is total BS.

As I have stated above, and other places, those who placed Kirsan in office have the power to remove him from office. Those who voted against him clearly did not have a majority of the votes, and so still don’t.

In the US we don’t eliminate opposition by, for example, killing journalists has been alleged to have occurred in other countries. To place words in my mouth and accuse me of such is beyond reprehensible. It is libelous.

I am from Georgia, but I want to state for the record that it is not me that posted this, and I fully endorse and support Mr. Priest’s views as to the reprehensible and libelous nature of such a post. I have a pretty good idea who among my fellow Peach Staters orginated this post, but since this country has an overabundance of underemployed attorneys I will refrain from guessing on a social media site.

You were referenced in an earlier post of his implying how much you and I were at odds over dealing with FIDE. 1) I don’t think we are that far apart and 2) I don’t know you from Adam. I’m not sure we have ever met. But he also took things out of context and twisted them around in that thread as well to try to imply things that were not there.

If the poster is who I think it is, then the behavior you describe would be in character for him. I know from personal experience.

I also don’t believe we have ever met, Mr. Priest; I know you only through your work. How far apart we are vis-a-vis US Chess’s dealings with FIDE I don’t know for this reason…

I support what I see in your actions with FIDE. US Chess just cannot unilaterally pull out of FIDE for reasons that have been rehashed in other threads. I get that. However, I firmly believe that trying to reform FIDE from within is going to be about as fruitful as trying to get a leopard to change his spots. Until the culture at FIDE changes, then whether it is Campomanes, or Ilyumzhinov, or whoever at the top won’t much matter. And I don’t see any reasonable prospect of the culture at FIDE changing.

We need to get together with like minded countries and set up a competing organization not based on greed and corruption. That obviously is something that needs to be done behind closed doors, and the efforts toward that end can’t be talked about on a social media platform. To the extent that this is being done I am with you. To the extent that it’s not we differ. I do not expect any answer to that on this forum. That’s just how I see it.