Miscellaneous questions on MUIR

some tournaments, after displaying number of players and number of sections, have an additional symbol :female_sign: , and if you move your mouse over it, it says “Qualifies as a Women’s Tournament”. What’s that? Looks like something new that I did not remember seeing it on MSA.

For example,
https://ratings.uschess.org/event/202511090643?section=0 has :female_sign:, https://ratings.uschess.org/event/202511090663?section=0 does not .

Will rerates on MUIR always happening on Tuesdays?

The MUIR display of “TOURNAMENTS MORE >” looks crazy now. I guess a rerate is ongoing?

No, I think that’s just a bug.

I don’t know the schedule for rerates yet, the first one might not be run until Friday this week.

What was said in today’s call was that they plan to continue the present schedule for rerates and supplements until they can improve upon it. :slight_smile:

I don’t know the specific criteria used to notate an event as a “women’s event’, but I can ask.

It looks like there was some miscommunication between us and Leago on this.

Some history: Several years ago the Women’s Committee and USCF’s Women’s Chess Director asked for a monthly report of events involving a significant number of women players.

After several iterations, we came up with some criteria that seemed to find most of the events that were either specifically intended for women or had a relatively large turnout of women.

This report, along with all of the other reports we send to staff and some committees, got sent to Leago as part of the briefings to get them fully informed as to all the stuff that needed to be done to replace the current ratings system server, some of which are only tangentially related to running tournaments and generating ratings.

Somewhere along the line, this got translated into designating events as “Women’s Chess Events”. That’s a bit of an expansion of its original purpose, which was to keep the women’s chess committee and the women’s chess director aware of who was running events with either a high percentage of the players being women or the total number of women being above some arbitrary threshold.

Our system doesn’t have a way to flag a section as being a women’s event, a senior event, a master’s event, etc. We do have the self-reported ‘participant coding’ field, but the primary usage of that field is to have a place to flag an event as a Primary JTP or K-12 JTP event, since those get special handling on membership issues, and labeling it as ‘scholastic’ or ‘non-scholastic’ was kind of an add-on because one of the questions we get A LOT, especially from the media, is “How many adult events do you run” or “How many scholastic events do you run”, and that can be a very complicated question to answer, because it depends a lot on how someone defines them.

If I run a set of quads and one of them happens to have 4 kids in it, is that really a ‘scholastic’ event?

So a TD-coded participant feature is about the best we can do, since hopefully the TD knows whether it was intended as a scholastic event or not. And there has been, predictably, some grumbling from TDs about having to set that field in each section before their events would pass validation.

I don’t see coding some events as “Women’s Chess” events as a major problem, though, as if it helps raise awareness in general of women in chess, that’s probably a good thing. But some mapping issues in the migration of data from our old ratings system and membership system to MUIR got some genders flipped. This is being corrected, but it may result in some events getting flagged as “Women’s Chess” events when they really weren’t.

Thank you!

One of requirements, when we submitted an application to 2025-2026 US Chess Women Grant, was

  • Intent to attract 50%+ participation of girls, women and/or gender minorities in proposed project

Is first rerate on MUIR scheduled tomorrow?

Wednesday Nov 19 is cutoff for next supplement, right

I don’t think there will be a rerate on the production MUIR system this week. We are still planning to cut off for the December supplement next Wednesday. I don’t know yet exactly how cutoffs will work on MUIR, unlike the previous system, events can (currently) be submitted 24 hours a day and be rated and visible on MUIR within minutes of when they’re submitted rater than once every hour from roughly 6AM to midnight.

The concept of a supplement as a point-in-time snapshot of what we know about ratings is still valid, but how we achieve that on MUIR may operate quite differently than it did on the old system.

if there is no rerate this week, how could there be a supplement ready next Wednesday?

how will the incorrect previous event rating be fixed?

Whether there’s a rerate this week or not doesn’t impact the ratings supplement, because there still needs to be a rerate run just ahead of generating the December ratings list.

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What’s the status of first rerate on MUIR, before generating December Supplement

tomorrow Wednesday?

They’re hoping to run the first rerate Wedneday morning so we can review it and then a second smaller rerate in the evening before the cutoff for the supplement run, which is very similar to the schedule we’ve had in the past.

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Please let us know when first rerate today is done. We all can help review vigilantly

I assume they’ll do tests on a non-production server first, in case it blows stuff up.

I didn’t have a testbed server when I did the first rerate in 2005, and I tested it VERY carefully, dumping prospective DB insert SQL strings without actually posting them, etc. Took me 2 days, as I recall.

I’ve already received a sample of the allratings tab file to test (not with December data yet), but for the most part generating the ratings files is pretty mechanical once you’ve done the rerate and generated the supplement records.

Any chance that the supplement file will have upper and lowercase letters in the names now that they seem to be that way in MUIR? That would be a huge improvement.

I think we have kind of a mixed bag in the MUIR member database, some names are all upper case and others are mixed case. The latter are probably ones that have been revised more recently.

Another issue is that there are names missing the middle name, and I’m not sure I’ve seen suffixes, either. (Like JR or SR). UPDATE: Yeah, they’re present.

Mechanically converting all upper-case names to mixed case is fraught with problems.

My guess is you’ll get what’s in the member file, as-is, for now. (Hopefully they’ll fix the middle name issue first, but maybe not for the first set of supplement files if we want them out this week.) It is also possible that we could generate an updated set of files using the same supplement data but updated membership data, we’ve done that a few times in the past.

An issue to keep in mind, though, is that if we start generating files with mixed case name in them, this could break the name search tools on some pairing programs that are expecting all upper case.

Members who want mixed case in their names may be able to make those changes on their member dashboards.

A separate issue is accent marks in names, and to be honest I don’t know where we are on that one. And they could further complicate name searches, both on MUIR and on pairing programs.

so is Leago going to run rerate on the production server ?

It looks like “incorrect previous event rating”s are still there.

It appears that a rerate is happening. At this point it seems to be stuck somewhere between November 6 and November 10

Apparently there were some issues and they’re rerunning it.

As I recall, it took me 2 days to get my first rerate done right in 2005, and that’s considering I designed the rerate process.

between third Thursday and end of month, will the supplement for next month be displayed somewhere on MUIR ?