How to list Extra Rated Games

[Smythe_Dakota]

@Mulfish

How much can an extra win against a player who lost their only game help tiebreaks?

I believe some tiebreak systems (Solkoff? Modified Median?) count a player’s opponent’s unplayed games as draws for tiebreak purposes. Thus, in a 5-round event, the player would get the same tiebreak points as though his opponent, instead of going 0 for 1, had played all 5 rounds and finished 2 out of 5. (Each of the four unplayed games by the opponent would count as draws when calculating the player’s tiebreaks).

Bill Smythe

[relyea]

@Smythe Dakota

But putting the bye-vs-bye game in the section of the winner accomplishes the same goal, without the messiness of an extra-games section. The winner will get credit for his (played) win, and the loser will get credit for his full-point bye.

Is it really any messier than having, for example, Smythe playing rounds 1 & 2 (and 4-7) in the U2000 section but for some reason playing just one game (round 3) in the U2200 section? In a tournament with many sections it is not inconceivable to have double digit players with one random game at the bottom of each section (total).

Alex Relyea

[scottrparker]

@Smythe Dakota

@Mulfish

How much can an extra win against a player who lost their only game help tiebreaks?

I believe some tiebreak systems (Solkoff? Modified Median?) count a player’s opponent’s unplayed games as draws for tiebreak purposes. Thus, in a 5-round event, the player would get the same tiebreak points as though his opponent, instead of going 0 for 1, had played all 5 rounds and finished 2 out of 5. (Each of the four unplayed games by the opponent would count as draws when calculating the player’s tiebreaks).

Bill Smythe

Since tie-breaks are not used to split money, but only non-divisible prizes like trophies, how valuable is this really?

[jwiewel]

@scottrparker

@Smythe Dakota

@Mulfish

How much can an extra win against a player who lost their only game help tiebreaks?

I believe some tiebreak systems (Solkoff? Modified Median?) count a player’s opponent’s unplayed games as draws for tiebreak purposes. Thus, in a 5-round event, the player would get the same tiebreak points as though his opponent, instead of going 0 for 1, had played all 5 rounds and finished 2 out of 5. (Each of the four unplayed games by the opponent would count as draws when calculating the player’s tiebreaks).

Bill Smythe

Since tie-breaks are not used to split money, but only non-divisible prizes like trophies, how valuable is this really?

Depends.
At the Madison US Open there was a multi-way tie for first and the top two on tie-breaks played an extra Armageddon game for a $100(?) bonus, with the best on tie-breaks getting the choice of white or black.
The last time the National Open was in Chicago I saw Walter Browne checking on tie-breaks to see if he’d with the Edmondson Cup. The Chicago Open has a number of trophies for the lower-rated sections.

[wintdoan]

@jwiewel

@scottrparker

@Smythe Dakota

@Mulfish

How much can an extra win against a player who lost their only game help tiebreaks?

I believe some tiebreak systems (Solkoff? Modified Median?) count a player’s opponent’s unplayed games as draws for tiebreak purposes. Thus, in a 5-round event, the player would get the same tiebreak points as though his opponent, instead of going 0 for 1, had played all 5 rounds and finished 2 out of 5. (Each of the four unplayed games by the opponent would count as draws when calculating the player’s tiebreaks).

Bill Smythe

Since tie-breaks are not used to split money, but only non-divisible prizes like trophies, how valuable is this really?

Depends.
At the Madison US Open there was a multi-way tie for first and the top two on tie-breaks played an extra Armageddon game for a $100(?) bonus, with the best on tie-breaks getting the choice of white or black.
The last time the National Open was in Chicago I saw Walter Browne checking on tie-breaks to see if he’d with the Edmondson Cup. The Chicago Open has a number of trophies for the lower-rated sections.

How often do GM’s get cross-section paired?

[Mulfish]

@wintdoan

@jwiewel

@scottrparker

@Smythe Dakota

@Mulfish

How much can an extra win against a player who lost their only game help tiebreaks?

I believe some tiebreak systems (Solkoff? Modified Median?) count a player’s opponent’s unplayed games as draws for tiebreak purposes. Thus, in a 5-round event, the player would get the same tiebreak points as though his opponent, instead of going 0 for 1, had played all 5 rounds and finished 2 out of 5. (Each of the four unplayed games by the opponent would count as draws when calculating the player’s tiebreaks).

Bill Smythe

Since tie-breaks are not used to split money, but only non-divisible prizes like trophies, how valuable is this really?

Depends.
At the Madison US Open there was a multi-way tie for first and the top two on tie-breaks played an extra Armageddon game for a $100(?) bonus, with the best on tie-breaks getting the choice of white or black.
The last time the National Open was in Chicago I saw Walter Browne checking on tie-breaks to see if he’d with the Edmondson Cup. The Chicago Open has a number of trophies for the lower-rated sections.

How often do GM’s get cross-section paired?

Their first round opponent might. And for trophies of that magnitude, once is significant. I think he made a good point.

[EnriqueHuerta]

@Allen

But heck, most TDs I know do it in part because we like order. And if we figure out something adds to order, well by golly we will keep doing it. Even if it is just the order in our own minds.

And some TDs like chaos… bwhahahaha!
:mrgreen:

• Enrique