Hi TDs,
I just a ran a tournament with both a 2 day and a 3 day schedule. The 3 day was G90 +30, the 2 day was two rounds of G60;d5 (dual rated) and they merged in round 3. From reading the rule book on page 60 I see an example that suggests the whole thing gets rated ass G90+30 and I don’t need to make any submission for the G60;d5; portion. Can someone double check my understanding before I submit this?
Thanks
Yes, when a section (or possibly merged sections) have multiple time controls, the slowest of them is what is used for deciding what rating system is affected. 99% of the time that means the event is regular-rated only.
And just to be clear, you cannot mix blitz time controls or quick-only time controls with any other time control in a section. And all rounds of a blitz event must be at the same time control.
Thanks Nolan I appreciate the clarification. This is actually the third year in a row that I’ve run this event and I’ve always submitted it this way but it just felt wrong to me so I wanted to be sure I wasn’t making a mistake. Thanks again. The caveat about mixing time controls is good information too even if it seems obvious. Now to figure out if there’s a way to flag this for closure.
Some years ago an organizer suggested running event where the time controls increased with each round sort of like this (ignoring increment/delay for simplicity).
G/5, G/10, G/20, G/40, G/60, G/80, G/100.
I think the general response to the suggestion was “I wouldn’t want to play in that”, and it (as far as I know) was never held.
I once suggested a variation on a ‘grab bag’ tournament at our club. In a ‘grab bag’ tournament, for each round or each individual game someone draws an opening out of a bag and they have to play that. Such events are not ratable, of course, but they can be fun, especially if some of the players have a very limited set of openings they use, which forces them out of their comfort zone.
My suggestion was to pick a time control out of a bag rather than the opening moves, but the problem was how to schedule the rounds.
I did not know this 
I need to break out the Blitz rules.
Of course Section - not Event – and I almost held one where 1,2,3 @ 3/2 & 4,5 @ 5/2.
We had a series that did this – I think it was G/30, G/40, G/50, G/60 – It was popular and quite a few liked it better than 4 @ G/45 as the money rounds were longer. I do my 4 rounders now as something like G/30, G/30 then G/60, G/60. I thought more folks would opt for byes in 1 & 2, but I only get a few. I did these since we have almost 0 norm eligible other tournaments.
I thought about doing a 1 day combined Blitz/Quick/Regular – but that becomes too long a day unless the TCs are fast within their category.
ohh I like the grab bag. We play unrated thematic tournaments often and use the opening choice as a lecture topic 1 or 2 weeks ahead of time. We have a Tennison gambit coming up that I am absolutely dreading.
1. Rate of Play
1.1 For a game to be rated each player must at the start of the game have the following minimum periods in which to complete all the moves, assuming the game lasts 60 moves.
Where at least one of the players in the game has a rating of 2400 or higher, each player must have a minimum of 120 minutes.
Where at least one of the players in the game has a rating 1800 or higher, each player must have a minimum of 90 minutes.
Where both of the players in the game are rated below 1800, each player must have a minimum of 60 minutes.
1.2 Where a certain number of moves is specified in the first time control, it shall be at least 30 moves.
It looks like the original post was for US Chess only events, but I added the FIDE note just in case it was FIDE rated.
So in FIDE events G/60;d5 works only if both players are under 1800 FIDE.
I guess getting 3 blacks in a row is ok. 
For anyone wondering, having a player over 1800 FIDE doesn’t invalidate the event, it just means that games that this player participated in can’t be sent for rating. Depending on your player base the impact could be dramatic or minimal (same issue if your event is G/60;i30 and a player with a 2400 FIDE shows up).
To be precise, they can’t be rated by FIDE, the entire section can be rated by US Chess.
In fact, US Chess rules state that ALL GAMES (other than forfeits) played in ratable sections MUST BE rated. You can’t just remove some because the players don’t want them rated.
And in what still seems a bit inconsistent to me, when we make FIDE adjustments for games our members play in non-USA FIDE events (ie, events not rated by US Chess), we remove any games played against opponents who do not have a published FIDE rating, because we have never found a satisfactory way to include them, since we don’t know their strength and can’t use the process we use for ‘unrated’ players in US Chess events because we don’t have the information needed to do that (ie, the entire event crosstable.)
FIDE also doesn’t rate games against players who are unrated, so this is consistent with the policy of making adjustments for “FIDE-rated” games.
My understanding is that you submit the tournament with all the games and FIDE sorts out which games can be rated.
I thought the FRO handled that task for each federation, but maybe the procedure has changed since the last time I had any direct involvement in it.
In theory that is what is supposed to happen, but in practice the FIDE Rating System has shown not to check for such things and so the work falls on the US Chess FIDE Ratings Officer (FIDE Events Manager) to pull out such games and not submit them in the rating file to FIDE.
Once an event gets rated with errors, FIDE has shown a great reluctance to correct them and so it is best not to submit them in the first place.
I had a lengthy discussion with FIDE personnel when I was at the Turin Olympiad in 2006. Their system, unlike ours, is not set up to facilitate corrections and updates, and I agree with the sentiment that is better for US Chess staff to spend time making sure unratable games and other issues don’t get submitted to FIDE than to have to deal with them afterwards.
This is not how we have done things (working with Brian Yang, US Chess FIDE Events Manager) the two times it has happened for us in the last 6 months.
I was told by a member of the FIDE SPCC that the TRF file should have all the games that are ratable generically and FIDE removes the ones that aren’t ratable due to individual player ratings. (The point being that they are the ones who determines the ratings that apply.)